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17 years 9 months ago #16489 by neilderosa
13- Zorba – <i>positive</i>: human-like, well proportioned, symmetrical “sketch-like” art; <i>negative</i>: fine detail can’t be discerned at this resolution, poor resolution for size of face, apparent flat art, excessive background noise

M0304877, Zorba, 2006; 72.02°W, 12.80°S, ~232 m wide, 5.65 m/p, Melas Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0304877.html



14- Greta – <i>positive</i>: human-like, well proportioned, symmetrical “sketch-like” art; <i>negative</i>: fine detail can’t be discerned at this resolution, poor resolution for size of face, apparent flat art; part of “strange mosaic,” excessive background noise, no confirming image

M0304877, Greta, 2006; 72.02°W, 12.80°S, ~465 m wide, 5.65 m/p, Melas Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0304877.html




15- Grant – <i>positive</i>: realistic, good shading, corresponding to a human face; <i>negative</i>: excessive background noise, no confirming image, apparent flat art

M0304877, Grant, 2006; 72.02°W, 12.80°S, ~462 m wide, 5.65 m/p, Melas Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0304877.html



16- Sculptured Faces - <i>positive</i>: sculptures, realistic and good shading, corresponding to human faces, one confirming image; <i>negative</i>: excessive background noise, medium resolution at this scale

E0201962, Sculptured Faces, 2006; 73.52°W, 5.38°S, ~864 m wide, (all faces), 2.88 m/p, wall base West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/images/E02/E0201962.html



17- Face in Triangle – <i>positive</i>: sculpture, associated with triangle shaped structure, human like features; <i>negative</i>: medium resolution at this scale, excessive background noise

M0802833, Face and Triangle, 2006; 74.14°W, 7.70°S, ~160 m wide, 5.70 m/p, West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_m12/images/M08/M0802833.html



18- Old Man - <i>positive</i>: good detail and shading, corresponds to human face, realistic; <i>negative</i>: flat art, excessive background noise, no confirming images

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19- M1800558 Face 1 – <i>positive</i>: well detailed eyes, good proportion, probable sculpture; <i>negative</i>: damaged or missing lower part of face, no confirming image

M1800558, Face 1, 2006, 20.20°W, 2.39°N, ~180 m wide, 2.9 m/p, Aram Chaos,
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m13_m18/images/M18/M1800558.html



20- Coprates Lady – <i>positive</i>: highest resolution HIRISE image, good proportion and orientation, apparent construction marks or signatures visible; <i>negative</i>: poor detail in secondary features at this scale

TRA000849_1675, Coprates Lady, 2006; 69.3°W, 12.4°S, ~510 m wide, .5 m/p, Valles Marineris, high resolution image
hiroc.lpl.arizona.edu/images/TRA/TRA_000849_1675/



21- Hombre – <i>positive</i>: good detail and proportion in stylized face, part of mosaic with related theme; <i>negative</i>: medium to poor resolution at this scale, no confirming image

E1103633, Hombres, 2006; 76.45°W, 6.13°S, ~173 m wide, 4.52 m/p, West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e07_e12/images/E11/E1103633.html




22- Nefertiti’s Family – <i>positive</i>: part of Nefertiti (Profile Image) mosaic in same style, one confirming image, good shading and proportion; <i>negative</i>: faces very faint compared to Profile Image, medium detail

E0501429, Profile Image Family, disc., R. DeRosa, 2006; 108.16°W, 13.98°S, ~1.16 km wide, (Mother’s face only), 5.71 m/p, Claritas/Syria contact
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/images/E05/E0501429.html



23- Profile with Hands – <i>positive</i>: well defined outline of profile with hands; <i>negative</i>: excessive background noise, no confirming image

S1800106, Profile with outreached Hands, 2006; 48.28°E, 27.98°N, ~625 m wide, 3.25 m/p. Located in a small crater just north of the Flammarion crater.
www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/publicresul...06/05/S18-00106p.gif



24- Mesa Man & Woman—<i>positive</i>: thematic mosaic at fair resolution; <i>negative</i>: excessive background noise, no confirming image, flat art coupled with natural terrain features

S0501051, Mesa Man & Woman, 2006; (Mesa Woman relatively enlarged ~35 %.); 73.33°W, 4.70°S, ~332 m wide (Mesa Man), 3.03 m/p, West Condor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/s05_s10/images/S05/S0501051.html


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17 years 9 months ago #19242 by neilderosa
Replied by neilderosa on topic Reply from Neil DeRosa
I revive here a relevent quote from the archives, from Emanuel, that may help readers to think about the current set of images and a few more to come.

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Can you post keys alongside of the original, rather than alone? It's very important to have the original next to the key so you can see if there has been any pareidolia-based cropping bias going on. To give an example of what I mean by pareidolia-based cropping bias, check out the "dolphin" key...from Tom's slideshow.

...In particular, this bias is reflected in the cropping of the "fin," which simply does not exist. Rather, there is what looks more like rabbit ears on the top of the dolphin's back. It is likely that pareidolia caused the person who cropped this key not to notice the rabbit ears, but to imagine a fin.
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17 years 9 months ago #19250 by neilderosa
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Following are ranked, clean copies of non-face artifacts. The first in probability of artificiality--far and away--is Wil Faust's mound. Even at medium resolution of the image, it's clear from the shading that we are looking at three flat sides, three sharp pointed, straight edges, identical, or nearly so, curvature of the ground edge, identical, or nearly so, slope, size, and shape of the three sides. It doesn’t take much analysis, or great intelligence, to see that we have here an artificial object.

Only lack of further imaging at higher resolution (to make certain we are not looking at some “trick of light and shadow," or a "computer hacker fake") stands in the way of this object being the most obviously artificial structure (face or non-face) yet found on Mars. Perhaps the Faust mound it not yet a “smoking gun.” But it only lacks further confirmation, coupled with some competent scientific analysis, to be one.

1- Wil Faust Mound




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17 years 9 months ago #16508 by neilderosa
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The well known “T”, seen in Tom’s Slide Show, and renamed “T or E” in our paper on the subject, gets ranked # 2 in this informal presentation of clean copies. Compelling reasons were given suggesting its artificiality based on the original SP2 image taken, I believe, in 2002 by the MOC MGS. It was further imaged in 2006 in NASA’s Public Request program as a result of the request I submitted last year. I argued on this message board and in an unpublished paper, that the new imaging further supported the artificiality of this trench, either as a reservoir or as a mining operation.

2- T or E


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17 years 9 months ago #16546 by neilderosa
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The third place in my subjective ranking goes to Straight Line. On the positive side is a perfectly straight lined structure imaged at NASA’s highest resolution of ¼ mp. On the negative side is the possibility that we are looking at a fault line, although no other fault line seen in my cursory search even remotely resembles this structure. Still, the conjecture that it is artificial would be falsified by producing a similar example here on earth, at similar resolution or better.

3- Straight Line


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17 years 9 months ago #16550 by neilderosa
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This object has several features which suggest that it is the ruins of a large machine—perhaps an airship or spaceship: In center-left of the cropping there appears to be a cavity in the form of a semi-circle. This is modeled as the wrecked “nose” of the ship. One of two “nose cones” is still attached; the other is in the foreground at the bottom of the image. The cylindrical “hull” of the ship is seen in perspective with the “tail end” to the upper right of the image. The hull seems to have a large tear on its right side (our view); a rectangular opening further toward the rear, (also on the right); a raised “bridge” on top of the cylindrical hull; two possible short “wings,” one on each side; and a “tail wing” just above the rectangular opening. The shading of the feature indicates an object with machined (as opposed to irregular or random) surfaces and lines. The front and center parts of the ship have two defined circular lines, which parallel each other and correspond to the cylindrical shape and circular opening or cavity, in shape and shading; while the rear end of the ship appears more rectangular or box shaped, with several lines and gradients of shades that run parallel and perpendicular to each other. Militating against all of these very suggestive features is the mediocre resolution of the raw data image. With one pixel of light being nearly six meters in length, we can’t be that sure of our facts, although they are very suggestive. This feature cries out for further imaging at a resolution at which the detail will be unambiguous.

4- Wrecked Ship



This object appears to be a cylinder. It is found in a high resolution HiRISE image, and the resolution is nominally ½ m/p, but is perhaps less than that. Consequently we cannot see a clear outline of the object but judging from the shading it seems to be a cylindrical object 15-20 meters wide, with both ends shaded more darkly. Both images call for confirming images at higher resolution, which may verify or falsify these objects as artificial structures.

5- Cylindrical Object


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