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The Universe
19 years 3 months ago #14157
by PhilJ
Reply from Philip Janes was created by PhilJ
A Fractal Cosmology
There is yet another cosmology which includes all the above and infinitely more. I have heard or read about this in only the most general terms; I’m making up details as I write, so bear with me. All we know of the universe is the “known domain”; all we can ever know of the universe is the “knowable domain”. For simplicity sake, I shall say “known” where, for all I know, “knowable” may be more appropriate.
The universe is a fractal, repeating at some unimaginably vast scale. The known domain is contained within the tiniest particle of a “super-domain”, as vast and complex as the known. The tiniest particle within the known contains within it an entire “sub-domain” as vast and complex as the known. Different domains operate on vastly different scales of both size and time.
Whether every sub-domain is comparable to every other is not yet known. Is our known domain inside a proton, a quark, a neutrino or a CG? Perhaps different kinds of particles contain different classes of sub-domains. Our known domain may have siblings in which the laws of physics are identical or entirely different.
There may be exchange of mass & energy, and therefore knowledge, between domains of comparable scale, when they collide within a super-domain. It is possible for occupants of that super-domain to quantify the net result of the collision, and gain a quantum of knowledge about their sub-domains. For occupants of the super-domain, the collision may have lasted only an instant; for occupants of the colliding sub-domains, the collision may have lasted for ever.
As we expand our knowledge, we should be on the lookout for repetition. Can we ever hope to see far enough out to recognize a repetition of what lies within? Looking outward, we see a foam-like arrangement of great walls of galaxies. Is there a boundary beyond which that foam becomes an ocean, an atmosphere and a breaking wave. Perhaps we are looking out from within the foam on top of a glass of beer, about to disappear into the throat of a drunken sailor. Then again, we may be many orders of magnitude away from discovering the scale at which such repetition occurs.
Can we see deeply enough within to recognize a repetition of what lies without? We have discovered over 200 kinds of subatomic particles; examples of each species seem identical to one another in their interactions. For all we know, what lies within one of those particles may be as complex as everything that lies without. Even a proton has a limited life expectancy. Does the life of a proton, born out a collision of other particles, begin with a big bang and end with another collision? Or does the interior of a proton evolve until it reaches an inevitable state of instability?
The MM postulates particles that are many orders of magnitude smaller, faster and more numerous than anything generally recognized by physicists. The vast majority of CG’s pass thru Earth without being absorbed or deflected. Could it be that rare absorption which causes a proton to ultimately decay? Could our know domain be on a collision course with the equivalent of a CG at some unimaginably vast scale? Will the collision be over in the twinkling of an eye? Or has that collision been in progress already for eons? Isn’t it pitiful how little we really know!
There is yet another cosmology which includes all the above and infinitely more. I have heard or read about this in only the most general terms; I’m making up details as I write, so bear with me. All we know of the universe is the “known domain”; all we can ever know of the universe is the “knowable domain”. For simplicity sake, I shall say “known” where, for all I know, “knowable” may be more appropriate.
The universe is a fractal, repeating at some unimaginably vast scale. The known domain is contained within the tiniest particle of a “super-domain”, as vast and complex as the known. The tiniest particle within the known contains within it an entire “sub-domain” as vast and complex as the known. Different domains operate on vastly different scales of both size and time.
Whether every sub-domain is comparable to every other is not yet known. Is our known domain inside a proton, a quark, a neutrino or a CG? Perhaps different kinds of particles contain different classes of sub-domains. Our known domain may have siblings in which the laws of physics are identical or entirely different.
There may be exchange of mass & energy, and therefore knowledge, between domains of comparable scale, when they collide within a super-domain. It is possible for occupants of that super-domain to quantify the net result of the collision, and gain a quantum of knowledge about their sub-domains. For occupants of the super-domain, the collision may have lasted only an instant; for occupants of the colliding sub-domains, the collision may have lasted for ever.
As we expand our knowledge, we should be on the lookout for repetition. Can we ever hope to see far enough out to recognize a repetition of what lies within? Looking outward, we see a foam-like arrangement of great walls of galaxies. Is there a boundary beyond which that foam becomes an ocean, an atmosphere and a breaking wave. Perhaps we are looking out from within the foam on top of a glass of beer, about to disappear into the throat of a drunken sailor. Then again, we may be many orders of magnitude away from discovering the scale at which such repetition occurs.
Can we see deeply enough within to recognize a repetition of what lies without? We have discovered over 200 kinds of subatomic particles; examples of each species seem identical to one another in their interactions. For all we know, what lies within one of those particles may be as complex as everything that lies without. Even a proton has a limited life expectancy. Does the life of a proton, born out a collision of other particles, begin with a big bang and end with another collision? Or does the interior of a proton evolve until it reaches an inevitable state of instability?
The MM postulates particles that are many orders of magnitude smaller, faster and more numerous than anything generally recognized by physicists. The vast majority of CG’s pass thru Earth without being absorbed or deflected. Could it be that rare absorption which causes a proton to ultimately decay? Could our know domain be on a collision course with the equivalent of a CG at some unimaginably vast scale? Will the collision be over in the twinkling of an eye? Or has that collision been in progress already for eons? Isn’t it pitiful how little we really know!
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19 years 3 months ago #11163
by RussT
Replied by RussT on topic Reply from Russ Thompson
PhilJ...the work you are referring to is by Robert Oldershaw. His name and access to his Fractal Universe can be found in this forum.
I have read almost all of his work and while I agree that in the basics (as with several theories), there is good potential for correctness, in this one, I personally have a problem with infinity down the scale. Also, as with every theory ever proposed, it does not correctly show how the matter gets into our universe!
I have read almost all of his work and while I agree that in the basics (as with several theories), there is good potential for correctness, in this one, I personally have a problem with infinity down the scale. Also, as with every theory ever proposed, it does not correctly show how the matter gets into our universe!
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19 years 3 months ago #11165
by Jim
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There might be a third wiew about how the universe formed and how it works. The don't know and have no clue view.
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19 years 3 months ago #14260
by PhilJ
Replied by PhilJ on topic Reply from Philip Janes
Let's not slight the creationist view, guys. God created it ca. 4001 bc, and nothing has changed or evolved since then.
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19 years 3 months ago #14150
by Jim
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PhilJ, For me the BB is a creation view. It is a model that proposes the universe appeared 13bya from nothing and the bible says the event was at some other time and without a bang but other than these minor details, whats the dif?
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19 years 3 months ago #14126
by RussT
Replied by RussT on topic Reply from Russ Thompson
Singularities creating matter is not creation ex nihilo.(something being created from nothing)!!! String "M" Theory has the answer for that, although I'm not sure it has ever been stated. String "M" Theory says that when the membranes touch, it causes a singularity, so the Hydrogen, Helium, and Lithium are a by-product of a process in nature, just as Oxygen is a by-product of photosynthesis. We are not suggesting that the universe is alive, just that it is a process in nature. Possibly there is a better example?
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