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Does nature use quantum dots?
18 years 2 months ago #18945
by Stoat
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Here's a picture of ice, the triangles are different colours just to show the hydrogen bonds front and back more clearly. Magnesium would look the same but the angle between electrons would be slightly greater.
Note that seen from the front the structure would look misleading, giving the impresion that the two hydrogens are very close together.
A high frequency, gigahertz ,low voltage throught the ice together with a dc voltage through the magnesium would rotate and "walk" the ice over the magnesium.
Note that seen from the front the structure would look misleading, giving the impresion that the two hydrogens are very close together.
A high frequency, gigahertz ,low voltage throught the ice together with a dc voltage through the magnesium would rotate and "walk" the ice over the magnesium.
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18 years 2 months ago #19065
by Stoat
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I did mention that this could be a case where faster than light gravity was important to life but what I'm talking about is, how do plants crack water.
Problems, the most obvious one is we don't know. Then there is the model problem, we tend to look at 2d models of ice and miss how it's put together. Then at this scale we ignore gravity entirely. We always show a model of oxygen, let's say, as having two electron in the k shell, then eight in the l shell. If we show the l sub shell, we have those two electrons at ninety degrees to the k shell electrons, because we all know that electrons hate each other.
Back to quantum dots, they were an accident[8D] boat loads of computer chips were thrown out because of them. They are easy to make and study but the how of it all, is still pretty much a mystery. What happened to electrons hating each other?
If quantum forces have to be "instantly" balanced on crystalisation, and this book keeping results in a quantum dot, can a substance short on electrons just rotate its l sub shell electrons ninety degrees to create a pseudo quantum dot?
I think it's possible that this occurs. Magnesium as a surface catalyst can rotate water, configured as ice,. so that it moves diagonally. This stretches bonds, if one in a hudred water molecules has one of these "pseudo dots" we could have an "unlatching" that snips the hydrogne off.
Problems, the most obvious one is we don't know. Then there is the model problem, we tend to look at 2d models of ice and miss how it's put together. Then at this scale we ignore gravity entirely. We always show a model of oxygen, let's say, as having two electron in the k shell, then eight in the l shell. If we show the l sub shell, we have those two electrons at ninety degrees to the k shell electrons, because we all know that electrons hate each other.
Back to quantum dots, they were an accident[8D] boat loads of computer chips were thrown out because of them. They are easy to make and study but the how of it all, is still pretty much a mystery. What happened to electrons hating each other?
If quantum forces have to be "instantly" balanced on crystalisation, and this book keeping results in a quantum dot, can a substance short on electrons just rotate its l sub shell electrons ninety degrees to create a pseudo quantum dot?
I think it's possible that this occurs. Magnesium as a surface catalyst can rotate water, configured as ice,. so that it moves diagonally. This stretches bonds, if one in a hudred water molecules has one of these "pseudo dots" we could have an "unlatching" that snips the hydrogne off.
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18 years 2 months ago #17699
by Jim
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The model problem is at the focus of this and as you say "we don't know". Why is the model needed in the first place? Why makeup stuff that is not real in order to attempt to understand anything real? How plants work is by breaking down carbon dioxide. They use energy to break down water. Plants use water to supply hydrogen and use the hydrogen to transform carbon dioxide into hydrocarbons. Plants need water, carbon dioxide and energy. The work process can be done by man but it will not produce a plant.
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18 years 2 months ago #17704
by Stoat
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I'm sorry Jim but I'm not with you. Model making is what we humans do, then we compare models.
"Plants use energy to break down water." Yes, and if we could do it, we'd be in clover; excuse the pun [8D]
"Plants use energy to break down water." Yes, and if we could do it, we'd be in clover; excuse the pun [8D]
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18 years 2 months ago #17705
by Stoat
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Oh, here's a sudden idea, that may or may not be of some use[]
Let's go back to the school dance. The head teacher loves Scotish dancing, and was also a parade sergeant in the Coldstream Guards. He has invented a dance that combines these sadistic practices in one.
This dance is astonishing to behold. However, due to the nature of school dances, in this vastly complex symetrical movement of people there are two boys that have to dance together.
Jones and Smith are big lads and they realise that at a tricky point in the dance they can simply swap partners. Somewhere else in the dance, two boys are suddenly dancing togther. Not bein stupid they realise that there is a new rule, and do the same.
So, lets say that the rules of the dance are electro magnetic, and that the boys' sub rules are gravitational.
Note that two electrons together are a boson, and can carry "sub rules" in non quantised orbits.
If after the dance, a proud parent says, rather loudly, that they particularly liked the way the pupils magically changed gender through the whole spectacle, then it would be best to sidle away from them []
Let's go back to the school dance. The head teacher loves Scotish dancing, and was also a parade sergeant in the Coldstream Guards. He has invented a dance that combines these sadistic practices in one.
This dance is astonishing to behold. However, due to the nature of school dances, in this vastly complex symetrical movement of people there are two boys that have to dance together.
Jones and Smith are big lads and they realise that at a tricky point in the dance they can simply swap partners. Somewhere else in the dance, two boys are suddenly dancing togther. Not bein stupid they realise that there is a new rule, and do the same.
So, lets say that the rules of the dance are electro magnetic, and that the boys' sub rules are gravitational.
Note that two electrons together are a boson, and can carry "sub rules" in non quantised orbits.
If after the dance, a proud parent says, rather loudly, that they particularly liked the way the pupils magically changed gender through the whole spectacle, then it would be best to sidle away from them []
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18 years 2 months ago #17713
by Jim
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Sloat, There are lots of ways water can be reduced to atoms by man and his cleaver ways. But even so, making clover can't be done. You seem confused about this stuff-its basic chemistry afterall.
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