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21 years 7 months ago #5462
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[Koenig]: Have you ever managed to convince a Relativist of the "space is curved" "nothing can travel at the speed of light in forward time" school that SR is incorrect in its interpretation of reality? Are there any defectors to LR?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Responses to hearing about LR are as varied as individuals are. However, the political and funding realities are such that it is not yet "safe" to publicly support LR.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Is there any chance that a physical experiment could ever prove LR over GR?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Yes. An experiment unambiguously showing an FTL propagation or communication would be definitive. But that is a very challenging experiment to conduct. -|Tom|-
Responses to hearing about LR are as varied as individuals are. However, the political and funding realities are such that it is not yet "safe" to publicly support LR.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Is there any chance that a physical experiment could ever prove LR over GR?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Yes. An experiment unambiguously showing an FTL propagation or communication would be definitive. But that is a very challenging experiment to conduct. -|Tom|-
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21 years 7 months ago #5849
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Replied by KoenigMKII on topic Reply from Neil Laverty
Sorry password problem caused failed reply to Tom.
Can I ask one question?
The behaviour of light seems to be key to the SR v LR debate. My question is:-
Is there any known experimental result for the trajectory of a laser beam reflected by a series of mirrors arround a single pole of a Van der Graaf generator?
My schoolboy physics says the beam may be polarised in some way, but not deflected. Is this experimentally verified?
Can I ask one question?
The behaviour of light seems to be key to the SR v LR debate. My question is:-
Is there any known experimental result for the trajectory of a laser beam reflected by a series of mirrors arround a single pole of a Van der Graaf generator?
My schoolboy physics says the beam may be polarised in some way, but not deflected. Is this experimentally verified?
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21 years 7 months ago #5786
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[Koenig]: The behaviour of light seems to be key to the SR v LR debate.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
It is now generally agreed that no experiment at lightspeed or slower can possibly show a difference between LR and SR. The only difference between theories with physical consequences is that FTL propagation in forward time is impossible in SR, but allowed by LR. -|Tom|-
It is now generally agreed that no experiment at lightspeed or slower can possibly show a difference between LR and SR. The only difference between theories with physical consequences is that FTL propagation in forward time is impossible in SR, but allowed by LR. -|Tom|-
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21 years 7 months ago #5787
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Replied by KoenigMKII on topic Reply from Neil Laverty
I Quote Tom:-
"It is now generally agreed that no experiment at lightspeed or slower can possibly show a difference between LR and SR. The only difference between theories with physical consequences is that FTL propagation in forward time is impossible in SR, but allowed by LR."
Ko's reply:-
I understand that. But what is the predicted trajectory of a laser reflected round a powerfull radial electrostatic field?
Bear with me, I have a line of arguement, but need to know what the established theorys of physics predict for the above experiment. And the actual result of course!
"It is now generally agreed that no experiment at lightspeed or slower can possibly show a difference between LR and SR. The only difference between theories with physical consequences is that FTL propagation in forward time is impossible in SR, but allowed by LR."
Ko's reply:-
I understand that. But what is the predicted trajectory of a laser reflected round a powerfull radial electrostatic field?
Bear with me, I have a line of arguement, but need to know what the established theorys of physics predict for the above experiment. And the actual result of course!
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21 years 7 months ago #5788
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[Koenig]: what is the predicted trajectory of a laser reflected round a powerfull radial electrostatic field?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
That is not my field, and I cannot answer your questions. But I would assume that, in reality (as opposed to ED theory), the potential field of the charge would be the equivalent of the gravitational potential field, and would bend the light beam slightly by refraction. I would hazard no guess about polarization. -|Tom|-
That is not my field, and I cannot answer your questions. But I would assume that, in reality (as opposed to ED theory), the potential field of the charge would be the equivalent of the gravitational potential field, and would bend the light beam slightly by refraction. I would hazard no guess about polarization. -|Tom|-
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21 years 7 months ago #5621
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Replied by KoenigMKII on topic Reply from Neil Laverty
I quote Tom:-
"That is not my field, and I cannot answer your questions. But I would assume that, in reality (as opposed to ED theory), the potential field of the charge would be the equivalent of the gravitational potential field, and would bend the light beam slightly by refraction. I would hazard no guess about polarization."
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Now the next question is, if the Meta Model of a Universe infinte outwards (macro scale) and inwards (micro scale) is correct (Sounds good to me),
does that not tend to indicate that the Quark is not the smallest "unit" as scale decreases??
"That is not my field, and I cannot answer your questions. But I would assume that, in reality (as opposed to ED theory), the potential field of the charge would be the equivalent of the gravitational potential field, and would bend the light beam slightly by refraction. I would hazard no guess about polarization."
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Now the next question is, if the Meta Model of a Universe infinte outwards (macro scale) and inwards (micro scale) is correct (Sounds good to me),
does that not tend to indicate that the Quark is not the smallest "unit" as scale decreases??
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