EXISTENCE (not creation) Ex Nihilo

Sounded pretty good until this part..."That necessary but indefinite element called ‘nothing’ requires no justification. Its presence is intrinsically logical, yet it is the primordial fabric from which the Universe, itself, is sewn. That relative value we label 'Zero' is an existential point of balance - the nucleus from which all physical attributes and properties are derived. It is a principle - not a process - which reconciles the physical manifestation of the Universe with the rules of logic.

There was no creation. Ø never existed, just it's logical equivalent. Existence is eternal.

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What are you saying here?

Messiah,

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ANS: Therein lies your failing. Eternal requires an infinite accumulation of time intervals. Since intervals of time are physical and are quantifiable, they can never become infinite.

Nothing physical can be or become infinite in quantity by definition. Infinity by definition is larger than any quantitative value. Hence nothing can have aready existed for eternity.

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"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien

mac

but the essence of time is movement and movement is a QUALITY not a quantity.without movement nothing is but since something is, infinite is.

can you imagine growth without movement?

not even nothing to something(transformation) can BE without movement.

Just as the logical paradox demonstrates the falsity of the assumption, the logical dichotomy demonstrates invalidness of the question. The position that non-existence is some sort of ground state of being and that existence must be explained is unjustified. There is no argument of logic to explain existence from non-existence, nor is there an argument of logic to explain non-existence from existence. Therefore, the fact of existence excludes the possibility of non-existence.


JR

Gentlemen,

A study has been done that shows, within the range of observational error, energy pluses equals energy minuses and that the net energy of the universe equal's "Zero".

Existance is an illusion created by local bifurcation of "Nothing" into equal and opposite "Somethings".

"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mac</i>
<br />A study has been done that shows, within the range of observational error, energy pluses equals energy minuses and that the net energy of the universe equal's "Zero".<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">On the contrary. The Big Bang predicts that equal amounts of matter and antimatter were created in the initial explosion. But matter dominates the present universe. Other galaxies can’t be antimatter because that would create a matter-antimatter boundary with the intergalactic medium that would create gamma rays, which are not seen. See Science 278, 226, (1997); Sci.News 158, 86, (2000). -|Tom|-