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MM Explanation for Quantum Entaglement
18 years 9 months ago #14604
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Ok, its been a week. I'm going to assume that TVF is too busy to post a response rather than doesn't have one. Would anyone else who is familiar with MM care to take the time to answer my query?
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18 years 9 months ago #14606
by Larry Burford
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I think Tom is out of town for a few days. MM has not focused on things in the quantum world until very recently and so far has little to say about it. I have seen Tom say that one aspect of it (ftl phenomena, such as the seemingly instataneous connection between two entangled particles) is neither a surprize to nor a problem for MM.
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18 years 9 months ago #17105
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What are quantum entangled photons? Sounds like jargon. Do you have a citation?
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18 years 9 months ago #17305
by Larry Burford
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Don,
According to certain interpretations (based on quantum mechanical theory) of certain experiments , particle properties such as spin can become coupled or entangled when two particles are created (or manipulated in certain other ways) under the right conditions.
Changing the spin (or other entangled property) on one of them also immediately and/or instantaneously changes the spin on the other one. Even if the particles are separated after entanglemant has been established.
This effect is not a function of the separation distance (again, according to QM). One nanometer or 10 billion lightyears, it's all the same.
Oh, and it can *not* be used for signaling. Why? Because <u>information</u> can't propagate faster than light.
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According to certain interpretations (based on quantum mechanical theory) of certain experiments , particle properties such as spin can become coupled or entangled when two particles are created (or manipulated in certain other ways) under the right conditions.
Changing the spin (or other entangled property) on one of them also immediately and/or instantaneously changes the spin on the other one. Even if the particles are separated after entanglemant has been established.
This effect is not a function of the separation distance (again, according to QM). One nanometer or 10 billion lightyears, it's all the same.
Oh, and it can *not* be used for signaling. Why? Because <u>information</u> can't propagate faster than light.
LB
(Don't look at me that way - it's not my idea, I'm just repeating the story as I heard it.)
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18 years 9 months ago #14644
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />Oh, and it can *not* be used for signaling. Why? Because <u>information</u> can't propagate faster than light.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Actually, information (such as spin or polarity) does in fact travel faster than light (hence, the "spooky action at a distance"), its just that this information that is received is of no value for encoding other information (signalling) without knowing the corresponding property of the other quantum entangled particle. Since this corresponding property information cannot be transmitted by other means faster than the speed of light, quantum entanglement cannot be used to send signals faster than lightspeed.
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<br />Oh, and it can *not* be used for signaling. Why? Because <u>information</u> can't propagate faster than light.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Actually, information (such as spin or polarity) does in fact travel faster than light (hence, the "spooky action at a distance"), its just that this information that is received is of no value for encoding other information (signalling) without knowing the corresponding property of the other quantum entangled particle. Since this corresponding property information cannot be transmitted by other means faster than the speed of light, quantum entanglement cannot be used to send signals faster than lightspeed.
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18 years 9 months ago #17169
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by jrich</i>
<br />hence, the "spooky action at a distance"<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">In MM, near-instantaneous FTL propagation of real information via gravitons is routine. So it would not lead anyone to think of it as "spooky". -|Tom|-
<br />hence, the "spooky action at a distance"<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">In MM, near-instantaneous FTL propagation of real information via gravitons is routine. So it would not lead anyone to think of it as "spooky". -|Tom|-
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