The implications of finding absolute proof.

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10 years 10 months ago #22260 by rderosa
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />Now the big question in my mind is, what if the Alien is just like this - evil - from our worst nightmares - would we as a race FREAK OUT if this was all there was AND this repulsive humanoid race were somehow responsible FOR US and that their <i>only</i> objective was the harvesting of human souls through a process of death and rebirth!

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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">After dealing with Liberals for 40 years, how bad could they be?

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10 years 10 months ago #22031 by shando
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The proof will be something like sexual pornography - we will know it when we see it.

I don't think we can write the specifications for the difference between intelligence, as we understand it, and alien life that is not intelligent.

We can't even write down what makes humans, human.

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10 years 10 months ago #22032 by rderosa
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />Larry, yes this does seem so, but if we are sure that we know <u><i>what</i></u> absolute proof is not, can we define what would be deemed as the parameters of positive absolute proof?

Otherwise, this section of Meta Research "ARTIFICIAL STRUCTURES ON MARS" has no point - an oxymoron of no value, would you not agree?

Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Well no. Hang on a second. Isn't that exactly what we've been trying to determine?

I have always maintained that common sense will prevail, and real proof (absolute proof) will be undeniable: A watch, a motorized device, a humanoid, an animal, crystal clear resolution showing us all something we can relate to, a news conference where the military comes out and does a show and tell. As the saying goes, we'll know it when we see it.

So far, we haven't seen it. Really, amazingly, after all this time, we haven't seen anything remotely convincing at high resolution.

But I might add, in my opinion, if you have an idea you should run with it. Tell us what <b>you</b> think is the dividing line between proof and not proof.


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10 years 10 months ago #21995 by Marsevidence01
[/quote]Well no. Hang on a second. Isn't that exactly what we've been trying to determine?

I have always maintained that common sense will prevail, and real proof (absolute proof) will be undeniable: A watch, a motorized device, a humanoid, an animal, crystal clear resolution showing us all something we can relate to, a news conference where the military comes out and does a show and tell. As the saying goes, we'll know it when we see it.

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I have to disagree here. I'm really not confident that we would recognize an alien "thing" quite so easily. This again fails within the realm of human chauvinism. Naturally, we look for evidence in the form and function which is a recognizable human quality - like you say; a watch or a motorized device etc. So potentially, anything which does NOT have human recognizable qualities would probably be - unrecognizable.

It represents a conundrum, a logical postulation that evades resolution?

And so, in order to define the "properties" - a "thing" should have either intelligent form or function or both (intelligent as opposed to a natural form) and it is here where the challenge resides; natural design vis-a-vis intelligent design.

A natural design can have both form and function. A leaf for example has form by natural design and it does serve a complex function one of which is photosynthesis. However, the divergence falls to the qualities of "preconceived design" as opposed to natural processes.

Or, an intelligence about it. In principle, if intelligence can be observed, then it is artificial thus establishing proof.

To complicate matters;

Art, has both form and a function so a "thing" need not be practical. But in order to recognize a thing as "art", one must take greater steps in observation. In humanity, we can sometimes find it very difficult to ascertain creativity; one man's pile of stones is another man's pile of crap.

So let's look at a thing.

Does the thing in the anaglyph image below have any of the following recognizable qualities:

1. Does it have any discernible intelligence about it?
2. Does it have any natural design to it?
3. Does it have any possible artistic translation?
4. Does it look to have been placed there or possibly fell there by natural processes?
5. Could it be the remains of a once living organism?
And finally,
6. Could this be defined as artificial and concluding as absolute proof?

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10 years 10 months ago #22033 by Larry Burford
yawn (but that's a colorful outfit he's wearing, isn't it?)

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10 years 10 months ago #22034 by Marsevidence01
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />yawn (but that's a colorful outfit he's wearing, isn't it?)
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Interesting, What makes you believe "it" is a he?

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