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16 years 9 months ago #18400
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by jrich</i>
<br />Neil,
Congratulations. You've taken a parody of your work and done it one better...<i>self</i>-parody.
JR
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It's to be expected, though, don't you think so? Anything is believable, except the reality of pareidolia.
It's very interesting.
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<br />Neil,
Congratulations. You've taken a parody of your work and done it one better...<i>self</i>-parody.
JR
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It's to be expected, though, don't you think so? Anything is believable, except the reality of pareidolia.
It's very interesting.
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16 years 9 months ago #19929
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Trinket</i>
<br />I still think it's all a comedy..
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Ok, we found something we agree on!!
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<br />I still think it's all a comedy..
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Ok, we found something we agree on!!
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16 years 9 months ago #19807
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I attributed the famous elevated "Face on Mars", and the "King Face" in the dunes of Mars, to the human tendency to perceive faces, plus the many degrees of freedom in Mars photos (2 degrees of freedom for latitude and longitude, 2 for illumination angle, 2 for camera angle, 1 for scale, 1 for orientation, and an infinity for changes produced by drifting sand). Now however we have the "humanoid statue" on Mars.
The Iliad describes "the Gods" often intervening subtly in ways that humans could not distinguish from chance. What could be subtler than "chance art" on Mars? It's gentler than showing us 500 terracotta statues of the Emperor's soldiers all in a row.
Europe gave Africa the motor vehicle and the machine gun: massacres and venereal disease. "The extraterrestrials" pursue a gentler information transfer. [Joe Keller]
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Interesting insight.
The Iliad describes "the Gods" often intervening subtly in ways that humans could not distinguish from chance. What could be subtler than "chance art" on Mars? It's gentler than showing us 500 terracotta statues of the Emperor's soldiers all in a row.
Europe gave Africa the motor vehicle and the machine gun: massacres and venereal disease. "The extraterrestrials" pursue a gentler information transfer. [Joe Keller]
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Interesting insight.
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16 years 9 months ago #20519
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16 years 9 months ago #20596
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Discovery of a small Venus statue imaged by NASA in November and released recently has a height of from 1 foot to 5 feet, estimated without acquisition parameters, photographed by the Spirit rover in the Gusev crater. Vague indications of a "face" upon high magnification would, if confirmed constitute <i>a priori </i>proof positive of artificiality. This test could easily be done since the rover could presumably walk (or roll) right up to it and take the picture (if it hasn't already done so).
A face standing alone, like the ones we've been showing, however detailed it may be, can always be rationalized away as a trick of light and shadow, and this is what has happened. But a life-like human, Venus statue with a female face and matching body can not be explained away in any scientific discourse, provided the image is verified as authentic.
Obviously, the present image is inadequate to allow us to draw any final conclusions, although it is very suggestive. The overall impression at 100% magnification of the 40mb panoramic image is that the visual perception and the photographic technology come together to form a sufficiently detailed image of a human-like female statue, suggested details are noted above. To which we could add that on higher magnification the Photoshop logic adds that basic pixel shading suggests an oval shaped face, facing the camera (and us), with eyes nose and a mouth.
How much is imaginary? This commentator is one who likes to connect the dots, likes to draw conclusions based on the whole image logic in context. Critics of artificiality on Mars (in the news) are still trotting out the 1976 Cydonia face, and still resorting to ridicule by calling this obvious female statue 'big foot' even though it has no apparent feet and is quite small. They are still resorting to the same old subterfuge we know all too well. Meanwhile the real thing is becoming all too obvious, clear and apparent. [Neil DeRosa]
Here is the machine that could settle the Big Question, right now.
A face standing alone, like the ones we've been showing, however detailed it may be, can always be rationalized away as a trick of light and shadow, and this is what has happened. But a life-like human, Venus statue with a female face and matching body can not be explained away in any scientific discourse, provided the image is verified as authentic.
Obviously, the present image is inadequate to allow us to draw any final conclusions, although it is very suggestive. The overall impression at 100% magnification of the 40mb panoramic image is that the visual perception and the photographic technology come together to form a sufficiently detailed image of a human-like female statue, suggested details are noted above. To which we could add that on higher magnification the Photoshop logic adds that basic pixel shading suggests an oval shaped face, facing the camera (and us), with eyes nose and a mouth.
How much is imaginary? This commentator is one who likes to connect the dots, likes to draw conclusions based on the whole image logic in context. Critics of artificiality on Mars (in the news) are still trotting out the 1976 Cydonia face, and still resorting to ridicule by calling this obvious female statue 'big foot' even though it has no apparent feet and is quite small. They are still resorting to the same old subterfuge we know all too well. Meanwhile the real thing is becoming all too obvious, clear and apparent. [Neil DeRosa]
Here is the machine that could settle the Big Question, right now.
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16 years 9 months ago #18303
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Wow, this is mind-boggling. That someone would consider this something to present to the scientific community as "evidence" of something is almost beyond belief.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">How much is imaginary?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> All of it. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">This commentator is one who likes to connect the dots, likes to draw conclusions based on the whole image logic in context.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> a.) There are no dots here. Just a blob and alot of empty pixels.
b.) Which "whole image logic"? I've seen snowmen with more detail. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Critics of artificiality on Mars (in the news) are still trotting out the 1976 Cydonia face, and still resorting to ridicule by calling this obvious female statue “big foot”<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Is there any wonder why? This stuff is crying out to be ridiculed. It's only because we observers are trying to avoid ad hominem attacks that the ridicule is kept in check. If this was an open forum you'd be inundated with ridicule. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">They are still resorting to the same old subterfuge we know all too well.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> In my opinion they're going real easy on the artificiality hypothesis. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Meanwhile the real thing is becoming all too obvious, clear and apparent. [Neil DeRosa]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">As witnessed by Frosty The Snowman.
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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Wow, this is mind-boggling. That someone would consider this something to present to the scientific community as "evidence" of something is almost beyond belief.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">How much is imaginary?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> All of it. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">This commentator is one who likes to connect the dots, likes to draw conclusions based on the whole image logic in context.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> a.) There are no dots here. Just a blob and alot of empty pixels.
b.) Which "whole image logic"? I've seen snowmen with more detail. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Critics of artificiality on Mars (in the news) are still trotting out the 1976 Cydonia face, and still resorting to ridicule by calling this obvious female statue “big foot”<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Is there any wonder why? This stuff is crying out to be ridiculed. It's only because we observers are trying to avoid ad hominem attacks that the ridicule is kept in check. If this was an open forum you'd be inundated with ridicule. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">They are still resorting to the same old subterfuge we know all too well.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> In my opinion they're going real easy on the artificiality hypothesis. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Meanwhile the real thing is becoming all too obvious, clear and apparent. [Neil DeRosa]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">As witnessed by Frosty The Snowman.
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