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18 years 5 months ago #9016
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For the next phase of this project I will zero in on a small face. For all of you who have already made up your minds I hope you will look at the following evidence carefully, it may change some of your pre-conceived notions. The whole rationale for dismissing the small ones is the claim that we don't really know what we are looking at. Right? Ok start from M1002361, the same medium resolution (5.71 m/p) MSSS strip in which I found confirmation of my rather large "Sculptured Faces." If you move south down the strip you will see this scene. Looks like a lot of little faces mixed in with some kind of dark material. The guy I'm interested in is dead center, with the flat top. Sort of like a "Killroy" picture from WWII. He's around 100 meters wide.
M1002361, "Part covered faces."
Here is same scene in a confirming image.
R2200700, "Part covered faces." (Resolution is 1.5 m/p).
Now here's high resolution S1000829 (1.51 m/p). It's 4 times higher resolution then M10 above. You would expect Killroy to dissipate in Pareidilic vagueness. Right? Not so. He becomes more well defined than ever, and shows more detail.
S1000829, "Part covered faces." (High resolution, hilighted.)
And a close up which only hi-res allows. Notice the perfect triangle where his left eye should be? (Our view.)
Neil
M1002361, "Part covered faces."
Here is same scene in a confirming image.
R2200700, "Part covered faces." (Resolution is 1.5 m/p).
Now here's high resolution S1000829 (1.51 m/p). It's 4 times higher resolution then M10 above. You would expect Killroy to dissipate in Pareidilic vagueness. Right? Not so. He becomes more well defined than ever, and shows more detail.
S1000829, "Part covered faces." (High resolution, hilighted.)
And a close up which only hi-res allows. Notice the perfect triangle where his left eye should be? (Our view.)
Neil
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18 years 5 months ago #16310
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The next installment of Faces from the Chasmas is a relatively flat-topped mesa at around 73.33W. 4.70S. Again, it offers the possibility of a dominant face with detailed eyes and "character." And as usual, there seem to be several less persuasive smaller and larger faces. Here we will show only the dominant face and one other.
S0510105, the mesa for context. (Image horizonally flipped [HF] to reflect actual orientation.)
"Mesa Man" [HF]
Mesa Man tinted. [HF]
And in matte, as a key. [HF]
"Mesa Woman." She has "V" shaped eybrows, attractive hairdo, well defined nose, and slits for eyes, and can be seen in context image to right and below man.
Neil
S0510105, the mesa for context. (Image horizonally flipped [HF] to reflect actual orientation.)
"Mesa Man" [HF]
Mesa Man tinted. [HF]
And in matte, as a key. [HF]
"Mesa Woman." She has "V" shaped eybrows, attractive hairdo, well defined nose, and slits for eyes, and can be seen in context image to right and below man.
Neil
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18 years 5 months ago #16086
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I agree that there may be other faces both larger and smaller. I also agree that it is difficult, especially in a preliminary survey, to decide conclusively where to draw the line between the real and the imaginary, and yes, I do concede that the imaginary exists, but so does the real.
But I like to follow the principle that we should not "multiply concepts beyond necessity." (variation of Ocham's razor first enuciated by Ayn Rand). That is why I like to stick to the dominant faces, which usually have the best defined features, or something artificial looking associated with them.
Also, if you zoom it on the mesa where the woman's face is (the image is 3 m/p which is fairly hi-res), you can see a cylinrical object laying on her face which may be a machine or a ship, maybe 10-20 meters long. It is smooth, straight, and casts a shadow on her face. (In the raw data gif at 100 percent, the object is around 1/8" long which makes it around 20 meters long.)
Zoom in on woman. The object is between her nose and left eye (our view).
I wasn't happy with the key for Mesa Man so here it is again.
And one more try at a key.
Neil
But I like to follow the principle that we should not "multiply concepts beyond necessity." (variation of Ocham's razor first enuciated by Ayn Rand). That is why I like to stick to the dominant faces, which usually have the best defined features, or something artificial looking associated with them.
Also, if you zoom it on the mesa where the woman's face is (the image is 3 m/p which is fairly hi-res), you can see a cylinrical object laying on her face which may be a machine or a ship, maybe 10-20 meters long. It is smooth, straight, and casts a shadow on her face. (In the raw data gif at 100 percent, the object is around 1/8" long which makes it around 20 meters long.)
Zoom in on woman. The object is between her nose and left eye (our view).
I wasn't happy with the key for Mesa Man so here it is again.
And one more try at a key.
Neil
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18 years 5 months ago #9025
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In double checking the direction the shadow should fall on the object I just mentioned, I noticed something interesting.
Here are some parameters for S05-01051.
Longitude of image center: 73.33°W
Latitude of image center: 4.70°S
Scaled pixel width: 3.03 meters
Scaled image width: 3.10 km
Scaled image height: 32.39 km
Solar longitude (Ls): 195.95°
Local True Solar Time: 14.92 decimal hours
Emission angle: 17.94°
Incidence angle: 43.78°
Phase angle: 47.17°
North azimuth: 93.00°
Sun azimuth: 358.21°
Spacecraft altitude: 385.14 km
Slant distance: 402.67 km
As you can see, the local time is listed as 14.92. That should mean around 3 pm. But if you examine the not-map projected tiled image and gif, the shadows on the mesa and the outcropings to the north, (which correspond to the MSSS map-projected context image S05-01052 for north-south orientation, but not east-west), it looks like morning.
Do we see a mistake in the MSSS acquisition parameters? Here's the link.
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/s05_s10/images/S05/S0501051.html
There is no mistake. The "not-map projected" gif, is flipped horizontally, (so is the tiled image shown). That means that in the "not-map projected" strips, the "Mesa man and woman" are "mirror images" of their true appearances. I have corrected the posted images to reflect their actual appearance.
Here's a key for Mesa woman. Her full face is tilting around 35 deg. NE. Note the object between her nose and eye, and there seems to be another identical cylindrical object in her "hair," above the first one mentioned. With an emission angle of around 18 deg., it is possible that these objects are standing vertically, but the resolution of the image is not sufficient to tell for certain.
Neil
Here are some parameters for S05-01051.
Longitude of image center: 73.33°W
Latitude of image center: 4.70°S
Scaled pixel width: 3.03 meters
Scaled image width: 3.10 km
Scaled image height: 32.39 km
Solar longitude (Ls): 195.95°
Local True Solar Time: 14.92 decimal hours
Emission angle: 17.94°
Incidence angle: 43.78°
Phase angle: 47.17°
North azimuth: 93.00°
Sun azimuth: 358.21°
Spacecraft altitude: 385.14 km
Slant distance: 402.67 km
As you can see, the local time is listed as 14.92. That should mean around 3 pm. But if you examine the not-map projected tiled image and gif, the shadows on the mesa and the outcropings to the north, (which correspond to the MSSS map-projected context image S05-01052 for north-south orientation, but not east-west), it looks like morning.
Do we see a mistake in the MSSS acquisition parameters? Here's the link.
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/s05_s10/images/S05/S0501051.html
There is no mistake. The "not-map projected" gif, is flipped horizontally, (so is the tiled image shown). That means that in the "not-map projected" strips, the "Mesa man and woman" are "mirror images" of their true appearances. I have corrected the posted images to reflect their actual appearance.
Here's a key for Mesa woman. Her full face is tilting around 35 deg. NE. Note the object between her nose and eye, and there seems to be another identical cylindrical object in her "hair," above the first one mentioned. With an emission angle of around 18 deg., it is possible that these objects are standing vertically, but the resolution of the image is not sufficient to tell for certain.
Neil
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18 years 5 months ago #15997
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Unlike the hi-res "Killroy" image shown above, (S1000829, "Part covered faces"), most small faces seen are hard to corroborate because the resolution is only fair, and they can be found in only one MSSS narrow angle image strip. Nevertheless I'll round out this survey with a few low end faces in this respect, and we'll see if they can be substantiated or not in the near future.
M1700467, "Flintstone mosaic."
M1700467, "Cavebear." The "bear" is seen face forward, but what interested me more was the small triangle shaped object in the upper right, which may be another face or an artificial structure. Unfortunately it is too small to be brought into focus.
Cavebear in tint.
M0700274, "The Beatles." we can see the Beatles hair cut in the primary face and the suggestion of such in others. The primary face also has some detail in the left eye (our view).
Neil
M1700467, "Flintstone mosaic."
M1700467, "Cavebear." The "bear" is seen face forward, but what interested me more was the small triangle shaped object in the upper right, which may be another face or an artificial structure. Unfortunately it is too small to be brought into focus.
Cavebear in tint.
M0700274, "The Beatles." we can see the Beatles hair cut in the primary face and the suggestion of such in others. The primary face also has some detail in the left eye (our view).
Neil
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18 years 5 months ago #9028
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Another little bit of unfinished buisness; here's Aladdin once more with the primary Jinni (singular for Jinn) in front of his mouth. The Jinni is a little larger than Killroy mentioned above. But the resolution (4.54 m/p) of the narrow angle image (R1601629) in which he is found is only 1/3 as good. You can see the shadow of the Jinni on Aladdin's face, and Al seems to be looking right at the little guy and not up as I thought previously.
Here is Aladdin again.
And R1601629, "Jinni," semi-profile to our left. The face is around 150 meters wide. There is yet another little face above the Jinni. It gets difficult.
In matte.
I also want to return to "Phil." I now think there are two Phils because you can see two defined eyes in the profile, two nostrils, and two "hairlines."
E02019622, "2 Phils." (Line inserted.) "2 Phils" is around 200 meters wide.
Without line inserted.
Neil
Here is Aladdin again.
And R1601629, "Jinni," semi-profile to our left. The face is around 150 meters wide. There is yet another little face above the Jinni. It gets difficult.
In matte.
I also want to return to "Phil." I now think there are two Phils because you can see two defined eyes in the profile, two nostrils, and two "hairlines."
E02019622, "2 Phils." (Line inserted.) "2 Phils" is around 200 meters wide.
Without line inserted.
Neil
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