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by Ephemeral
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The subjectivity arises when analyzing the image for the existence of additional features that were not visible in the first images and predicted to be found in later images.
With the a priori predictions you are establishing a confidence level of artificiality that will only be recognized by those that interpret the later images the same as you. This is not entirely useless, but its still fundamentally subjective.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I believe that you are struggling with an old philosophical problem: humans have to agree on a consensus to share their perceptions of reality.
Here is a very terrestrial illustration of what I mean:
- An out-of-focus photo shows a circular shape,
- I predict a priori that it is the face of a clock and that it will show two hands when better focused,
- The better-focused next snapshot shows what I call hands, but you tell me it is a pizza with the outline of a pre-cut slice,
- I predict a priori that the better-focused next picture will show the numerals 1 to 12 at regular intervals around the circumference, with 12 up, 6 down, 9 left, 3 right, etc.,
- The next shot shows what I predicted, but with roman numerals (I,II,III, etc.) instead of Arabic ones. You tell me this are strips of green pepper that the cook artistically laid down in a creative pattern,
- We keep looking at better and better quality pictures, never agreeing to what they represent,
- We happen to be looking at these pictures in a very busy shopping mall, so people start to get involved and take sides,
- All of a sudden, someone says: 'Look! It is both a clock and a pizza!'
- We turn around and see an Italian restaurant proudly displaying a pizza-shaped-clock with green-peppers-roman-numerals...
- Everybody has reached a consensus.
To come back to Mars, I believe that tests eliminating as much as possible the human factor - such as the computational detection of artificiality by fractal analysis, would put that issue to rest, at least for the preselection of features of interest.
I am not against human observation, far from it: in my dream world, NASA would have started a Cydonia project in the mid-eighties, and by now a Martian base (or bases) would be swarming with astronauts, while universities would be graduating the first extraterrestrial archeologists.[
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Ephemeral
The essence of ever changing reality is the permanence of its transitory nature.
With the a priori predictions you are establishing a confidence level of artificiality that will only be recognized by those that interpret the later images the same as you. This is not entirely useless, but its still fundamentally subjective.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I believe that you are struggling with an old philosophical problem: humans have to agree on a consensus to share their perceptions of reality.
Here is a very terrestrial illustration of what I mean:
- An out-of-focus photo shows a circular shape,
- I predict a priori that it is the face of a clock and that it will show two hands when better focused,
- The better-focused next snapshot shows what I call hands, but you tell me it is a pizza with the outline of a pre-cut slice,
- I predict a priori that the better-focused next picture will show the numerals 1 to 12 at regular intervals around the circumference, with 12 up, 6 down, 9 left, 3 right, etc.,
- The next shot shows what I predicted, but with roman numerals (I,II,III, etc.) instead of Arabic ones. You tell me this are strips of green pepper that the cook artistically laid down in a creative pattern,
- We keep looking at better and better quality pictures, never agreeing to what they represent,
- We happen to be looking at these pictures in a very busy shopping mall, so people start to get involved and take sides,
- All of a sudden, someone says: 'Look! It is both a clock and a pizza!'
- We turn around and see an Italian restaurant proudly displaying a pizza-shaped-clock with green-peppers-roman-numerals...
- Everybody has reached a consensus.
To come back to Mars, I believe that tests eliminating as much as possible the human factor - such as the computational detection of artificiality by fractal analysis, would put that issue to rest, at least for the preselection of features of interest.
I am not against human observation, far from it: in my dream world, NASA would have started a Cydonia project in the mid-eighties, and by now a Martian base (or bases) would be swarming with astronauts, while universities would be graduating the first extraterrestrial archeologists.[
]Ephemeral
The essence of ever changing reality is the permanence of its transitory nature.
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