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Cosmological Redshift and Expansion of Space
16 years 7 months ago #20192
by Jim
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JMB, Maxwell stuff granted is very good great modeling,an attempt to organize all the research that preceeded him. But, models and real objects and events are never interchangable. Why use Roman math in modern times when other math works as well or better? The photon is a model too but it works-sort of. It can be improved but Maxwell is as dead as Roman language.
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16 years 6 months ago #20032
by Stoat
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Hi Jim, offhand, I cannot think of any major contributions to mathematics made by the Romans. When I think of applied mathematics, my first thoughts go to the Egyptians but then Stonehenge and Carnac in Portugal are older. Without a doubt though, the Romans freed applied mathematics from its priestly arcane trappings.
The people that built Rome applied Greek maths in ways that had never been done before. They were professional in the modern sense of the word. That has to be a major social, political and philosophical contribution to science.
We simply cannot throw away their maths, because their maths was Greek maths, and we are still using it.
I know that you hate models but you must realise that implicit in your argument is another model, a model that you never explain. If someone were to say, our concept of the number line is wrong, scrap it and replace it with this instead. That person would be listened to, if the new concept was an improvement. The new concept would have to incorporate the number line concept though. Nothing ever gets simply dumped in maths, things simply gather dust in Platos magic realm.
The people that built Rome applied Greek maths in ways that had never been done before. They were professional in the modern sense of the word. That has to be a major social, political and philosophical contribution to science.
We simply cannot throw away their maths, because their maths was Greek maths, and we are still using it.
I know that you hate models but you must realise that implicit in your argument is another model, a model that you never explain. If someone were to say, our concept of the number line is wrong, scrap it and replace it with this instead. That person would be listened to, if the new concept was an improvement. The new concept would have to incorporate the number line concept though. Nothing ever gets simply dumped in maths, things simply gather dust in Platos magic realm.
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16 years 6 months ago #20927
by Jim
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Sloat, I agree with you that models are useful. Its the over use and worship of models that leads to errors. In current science too many models are put upon to explain things and people get bogged down in defending the reason their favored model is correct. Any model is ok within defined limits and no model is the real end all deal. I do not have a favorite model but it is clear to me a lot of progress is being hindered by all the model bs. BTW, Romans lost an empire because they never developed engineering skills that were available to them and I the system they used inhibited that developmemt.
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