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21 years 5 months ago #5841
by Jim
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Another issue on redshift- if you observed from 10 billion light years from here and looked at the redshift would it still appear the universe was ~15 billion years old? At that distance from here how would an object we see as redshifted to z=6 be seen?
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21 years 5 months ago #5948
by north
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Another issue on redshift- if you observed from 10 billion light years from here and looked at the redshift would it still appear the universe was ~15 billion years old? At that distance from here how would an object we see as redshifted to z=6 be seen?
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jim
the way i see it, what we can see from our point of view would also be seen from 15 billion light yrs. from here.and whether the universe is 15 billion yrs.old or not(this assumes that the big bang is correct,which i do not think that it is)is the point, is it? is perspective missleading us (a sort of human self centeredness,the universe revoles around us!?)and that this hinders seeing the truth?
Another issue on redshift- if you observed from 10 billion light years from here and looked at the redshift would it still appear the universe was ~15 billion years old? At that distance from here how would an object we see as redshifted to z=6 be seen?
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jim
the way i see it, what we can see from our point of view would also be seen from 15 billion light yrs. from here.and whether the universe is 15 billion yrs.old or not(this assumes that the big bang is correct,which i do not think that it is)is the point, is it? is perspective missleading us (a sort of human self centeredness,the universe revoles around us!?)and that this hinders seeing the truth?
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21 years 5 months ago #5949
by Jright
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In the model I would propose - There would be a difference if you were to observe from a location say 15 billion light years away from earth. The material in that location would also be much younger...by billions of years. I would propose a much older universe from it's initial beginning to now than the current Big Bang model. The model would propose that everything is moving away from a central point at various speeds depending on distance from center, and all of it is slowing down but never to a stop.
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21 years 5 months ago #6106
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In the model I would propose - There would be a difference if you were to observe from a location say 15 billion light years away from earth. The material in that location would also be much younger...by billions of years. I would propose a much older universe from it's initial beginning to now than the current Big Bang model. The model would propose that everything is moving away from a central point at various speeds depending on distance from center, and all of it is slowing down but never to a stop.
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jright
if what you say is true (possible)then would we not be able to see things moving away from the side?from our perspective we seem to be in the centre,we don't seem to see anything moving past us,or just in front.
In the model I would propose - There would be a difference if you were to observe from a location say 15 billion light years away from earth. The material in that location would also be much younger...by billions of years. I would propose a much older universe from it's initial beginning to now than the current Big Bang model. The model would propose that everything is moving away from a central point at various speeds depending on distance from center, and all of it is slowing down but never to a stop.
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jright
if what you say is true (possible)then would we not be able to see things moving away from the side?from our perspective we seem to be in the centre,we don't seem to see anything moving past us,or just in front.
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21 years 5 months ago #5877
by Jim
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Why couldn't two observers that are 10 billion light years apart from each other see the same redshifted objoect at the same time? Object being seen near to where the BB says the young universe is and the two observers at different locations in the current universe.
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21 years 5 months ago #5878
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Why couldn't two observers that are 10 billion light years apart from each other see the same redshifted objoect at the same time? Object being seen near to where the BB says the young universe is and the two observers at different locations in the current universe.
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a double red shift, how?
Why couldn't two observers that are 10 billion light years apart from each other see the same redshifted objoect at the same time? Object being seen near to where the BB says the young universe is and the two observers at different locations in the current universe.
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a double red shift, how?
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