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Quantized redshift anomaly
19 years 7 months ago #12524
by Jim
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The fact that ZPE is a fact and not a theory means what? Mickey Mouse is a fact and not a theory and so is Superman. So what?
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19 years 7 months ago #12570
by Tommy
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ON GRAVITY:
Seems like everyone is focused on gravity. The Big Banger treat it like the only game in town, the alternatives try to change the rules of that game.
Meanwhile
Take our Sun for example. What role does gravity play in the operation of our Sun, a typical star? Let's say for now that Gravity did indeed pull all the stuff of the Sun together. Certainly gravity is responsible for setting off the muclear reaction at the core of the Sun.
Is that it? The nuclear reaction itself is a product of the Strong force, right? The circulation of heat toward the photosphere is ordinary action/reaction right? This circulation gives rise to magnetic fields which induce electric current flows which induce magnetic fields which give rise to the chronosphere and then the solar wind.
Why not give Gravity to them. No one will succeed in getting rid of gravity anyhow. Accept Gravity as it is, and then INCLUDE EMF. Gravity then becomes a place holder.
After all, one can argue that all matter is the interaction of atomic electron fields.
Gravity is about dead matter, EMF is what makes matter alive. (dynamic)
Seems like everyone is focused on gravity. The Big Banger treat it like the only game in town, the alternatives try to change the rules of that game.
Meanwhile
Take our Sun for example. What role does gravity play in the operation of our Sun, a typical star? Let's say for now that Gravity did indeed pull all the stuff of the Sun together. Certainly gravity is responsible for setting off the muclear reaction at the core of the Sun.
Is that it? The nuclear reaction itself is a product of the Strong force, right? The circulation of heat toward the photosphere is ordinary action/reaction right? This circulation gives rise to magnetic fields which induce electric current flows which induce magnetic fields which give rise to the chronosphere and then the solar wind.
Why not give Gravity to them. No one will succeed in getting rid of gravity anyhow. Accept Gravity as it is, and then INCLUDE EMF. Gravity then becomes a place holder.
After all, one can argue that all matter is the interaction of atomic electron fields.
Gravity is about dead matter, EMF is what makes matter alive. (dynamic)
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19 years 7 months ago #12525
by Tommy
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Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 11:30:08
The fact that ZPE is a fact and not a theory means what? Mickey Mouse is a fact and not a theory and so is Superman. So what?
(Tommy)
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Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 11:46:19
ON GRAVITY:Seems like everyone is focused on gravity. The Big Banger treat it like the only game in town, the alternatives try to change the rules of that game.
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While you were writing your letter, I was writing my letter. You asked "So What?" I wrote a reply at the same time. Is this just a coincidence? I sent a reply before I got your letter. Or is it something they call Synchronicity?
There's a lot more going on than just a tug of war, that's what.
Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 11:30:08
The fact that ZPE is a fact and not a theory means what? Mickey Mouse is a fact and not a theory and so is Superman. So what?
(Tommy)
USA
105 Posts
Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 11:46:19
ON GRAVITY:Seems like everyone is focused on gravity. The Big Banger treat it like the only game in town, the alternatives try to change the rules of that game.
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While you were writing your letter, I was writing my letter. You asked "So What?" I wrote a reply at the same time. Is this just a coincidence? I sent a reply before I got your letter. Or is it something they call Synchronicity?
There's a lot more going on than just a tug of war, that's what.
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19 years 7 months ago #12526
by Jim
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Tommy, Try to focus on something even if it is real. You seem to like ZPE a lot so can you focus on this point? Your mind seems to be going full out while not engaged at the same time. Lots of verbage but where's the beef?
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19 years 7 months ago #12529
by Tommy
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Alfred Korzybski said it is unsane science to abstract first and then observe. It is more sane, Korzybski says, to reverse this reversal and observe first then abstract.
The "beef" is that when we observe a Galaxy, matter is "spewing outward". Yet the standard theory implies that matter is being sucked into a hole in the center of the Galaxy.
Matter spewing outward would indicate an entirely different cosmology
than the accepted theory.
The "beef" is that when we observe a Galaxy, matter is "spewing outward". Yet the standard theory implies that matter is being sucked into a hole in the center of the Galaxy.
Matter spewing outward would indicate an entirely different cosmology
than the accepted theory.
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19 years 7 months ago #12571
by Tommy
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> (Jim)
Tommy, Try to focus on something even if it is real. You seem to like ZPE a lot so can you focus on this point? Your mind seems to be going full out while not engaged at the same time. Lots of verbage but where's the beef?
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If I have to explain the ZPE to you, then you won't believe it. If you are smart you wouldn't believe anything anyone says to you. But you especially wouldn't believe the ZPE. This is really something that you have to experience yourself. That makes you the expert.
Did you ever wonder how atoms can keep on doing their thing forever it seems? I did. Did you ever wonder about those "infinities" the mathematicians talk about and how they renormalize them out of existence? I did. Did you ever wonder why the quarks stick together and the harder they try to unsitck them, they stick harder too? I did. Did you ever wonder where virtual particles pop out of? I did. Did you ever wonder?
I didn't find the ZPE in some book or scientific paper. I used the name of Pure Energy. Pure Energy is energy not doing anything. I came up with that name because I had to explain to myself what was going on. I knew what was going on, I didn't know "how" it could happen. Ordinary physics says that it what happened was impossible, or highly unlikely. The only way it could happen, I surmised, was as if there were an energy INSIDE everything. A connection between this and that INSIDE. And since it is INSIDE everything, it couldn't be anything. That's why Pure Energy is energy not doing anything. If it were doing something it would NOT be Pure Energy.
So in this sense, the "ZPE" is not the right name. What the ZPE actually is, is the interaction between the Outside and the INSIDE.
It is a particular something. The diversity of what we are talking about has been mentioned by Michiu Who suggests that ZPE applies to electromagnetic effects specifically, and a more general term could be "hyperspace."
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<b>Technical paper
www.calphysics.org/articles/wesson.pdf
Overview
www.setterfield.org/vacuum.html
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Tommy, Try to focus on something even if it is real. You seem to like ZPE a lot so can you focus on this point? Your mind seems to be going full out while not engaged at the same time. Lots of verbage but where's the beef?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
If I have to explain the ZPE to you, then you won't believe it. If you are smart you wouldn't believe anything anyone says to you. But you especially wouldn't believe the ZPE. This is really something that you have to experience yourself. That makes you the expert.
Did you ever wonder how atoms can keep on doing their thing forever it seems? I did. Did you ever wonder about those "infinities" the mathematicians talk about and how they renormalize them out of existence? I did. Did you ever wonder why the quarks stick together and the harder they try to unsitck them, they stick harder too? I did. Did you ever wonder where virtual particles pop out of? I did. Did you ever wonder?
I didn't find the ZPE in some book or scientific paper. I used the name of Pure Energy. Pure Energy is energy not doing anything. I came up with that name because I had to explain to myself what was going on. I knew what was going on, I didn't know "how" it could happen. Ordinary physics says that it what happened was impossible, or highly unlikely. The only way it could happen, I surmised, was as if there were an energy INSIDE everything. A connection between this and that INSIDE. And since it is INSIDE everything, it couldn't be anything. That's why Pure Energy is energy not doing anything. If it were doing something it would NOT be Pure Energy.
So in this sense, the "ZPE" is not the right name. What the ZPE actually is, is the interaction between the Outside and the INSIDE.
It is a particular something. The diversity of what we are talking about has been mentioned by Michiu Who suggests that ZPE applies to electromagnetic effects specifically, and a more general term could be "hyperspace."
<hr noshade size="1">
<b>Technical paper
www.calphysics.org/articles/wesson.pdf
Overview
www.setterfield.org/vacuum.html
<hr noshade size="1">
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