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11 years 5 months ago #14044 by shando
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />That was too easy, so I'm sure I'll be fixing it up for days now.

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Thank you Larry. I knew it needed to be done but I am sure you have done it better than I could have.

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11 years 3 months ago #14048 by Larry Burford
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<b><center>Continue the Mal Education discussion here
if you have something to say that does not fit well
into any of the various child threads I created.</center></b>

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10 years 3 months ago #6467 by shando
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Hooray!

It looks like progress is being made. Have a look at this Scientific American article:

www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-...future-of-education/

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10 years 3 months ago #6539 by Larry Burford
Pretty cool.

Of course it is inevitable that the kids will drive innovation in this arena. At first they will be on the demand side of the equation (as consumers of the games and whatever those games evolve into). Later, as they grow into early adulthood, they will be on the supply side (as entrepreneurs or as both low tech and high tech employees of those entrepreneurs).

The real question is why is it taking so f-ing long?

Here is my theory.

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Modern first world industrial societies fit into two basic molds:
<ul><li> more or less capitalist</li><li> and more or less socialist.</li></ul>

In theory both capitalism and socialism are quite interesting. But more importantly (in theory) they are quite different.

However, in practice they produce almost exactly the same rather dreary results. How can this be?

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It turns out that there are two versions of each system. I'm going to exercise some poetic license here and name them as the market version and the crony version.

Now, we are all (more or less) familiar with the concept of market capitalism and with the concept of crony capitalism. But few of us have been exposed to the concept of market socialism or the concept of crony socialism.

Another way to think of them is that the market versions are like the theory and the crony versions are like the practice. I think I could live a happy life in a (theoretical) socialist society. I would rather live in a (theoretical) capitalist society, but if forced to chose between theoretical socialism and crony capitalism I would almost certainly go for the former.

Crony capitalism sucks.

However, if forced to chose between crony socialism and crony capitalism I would probably use my "executive decision making tool" - heads I go for crony socialism, tails I go for crony capitalism.

Because ...

There is not much difference between crony capitalism and crony socialism. Both of them suck. Only a few minor details make them different.

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I'll get off my stump now, and see if anyone else has some input.

LB


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10 years 2 months ago #22583 by Jim
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Both are stick and carrot systems invented by man. The natural world runs much better using quite different rules. We need to learn from nature and adopt better methods for distributing the wealth as well as living in harmony with our neighbors sharing the planet with us.

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10 years 2 months ago #22370 by Larry Burford
<b>[Jim]"Both are stick and carrot systems invented by man."</b>
Hey there Captain Obvious. Yes, it's a snide comment. But you have to admit you sort of walked into it. Apology offered if needed.

<b>[Jim] "The natural world runs much better using quite different rules."</b>
I would tend to agree, at least in some ways maybe.<ul>In general the rules of nature are much more simple than the general rules of man. And *in general* more simple is better.</ul>
I'd be curious to see a few best-of-class-examples of such rules that you feel comfortable pointing to.

<b>[Jim] "We need to learn from nature and adopt better methods for distributing the wealth as well as living in harmony with our neighbors sharing the planet with us."</b>
Here you have narrowed your focus a bit, compared to your previous claim. Within this narrower focus, I would again like to see a few of your favorite examples."

If you don't want to provide examples, then we will have to get into one of those discussions about definitions to be sure we understand you. (What does "better" mean, and so on. And you say "both" systems when I talked about four distinct systems. ???)

LB

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