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Minimum range of gravity
21 years 9 months ago #4584
by Mac
Replied by Mac on topic Reply from Dan McCoin
Tom,
Maybe I mis-interpreted your comment:
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Outside the collapsed star, the gravity field is quite strong, but nonetheless is weaker than it otherwise would be because gravitational shielding starts to set it. That is because not all "matter ingredients" can be reached by gravitons.
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It seems to me that introducing this view of shielding is putting a limit on gtavity and would ultimately conclude that Black HOles don't exist or at least don't form singularities.
Am I correct?
Rudolph,
Geometry actually works quite well:
Fg = U x ~ x [(m1 + m2) x trig of cones of sources integrated] produces the same curve as conventional Newtonian mathematics.
Where "U" is the UniKEF field, "~" is an absorbtion and/or attenuation coefficent and the "cones of sources" is a geometry formed by drawing tangent lines across two gravitating bodies at a given seperation.
The integration of these cones reproduces the 1/r^2 function and reduces the force to the sum of masses instead of mass squared which is far more logical physically.
What is mass squared anyway? m1 x m2 = mass squared.
Mac
Maybe I mis-interpreted your comment:
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Outside the collapsed star, the gravity field is quite strong, but nonetheless is weaker than it otherwise would be because gravitational shielding starts to set it. That is because not all "matter ingredients" can be reached by gravitons.
*****************************
It seems to me that introducing this view of shielding is putting a limit on gtavity and would ultimately conclude that Black HOles don't exist or at least don't form singularities.
Am I correct?
Rudolph,
Geometry actually works quite well:
Fg = U x ~ x [(m1 + m2) x trig of cones of sources integrated] produces the same curve as conventional Newtonian mathematics.
Where "U" is the UniKEF field, "~" is an absorbtion and/or attenuation coefficent and the "cones of sources" is a geometry formed by drawing tangent lines across two gravitating bodies at a given seperation.
The integration of these cones reproduces the 1/r^2 function and reduces the force to the sum of masses instead of mass squared which is far more logical physically.
What is mass squared anyway? m1 x m2 = mass squared.
Mac
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21 years 9 months ago #4588
by Rudolf
Replied by Rudolf on topic Reply from Rudolf Henning
Mac, if you read the finer points om the MM then the conclusion is that black holes do not exist! They only exist in theory but because it would be impossible to detect them directly (if they did exist) there is also no way to proof the opposite (for now).
Using the geometry is usefull only to describe what the effect of grafity is. For me it fails to explain the 'why' it works in a plain logical way. You may choose to see geometry in a different light and that it helps explain gravity but I see it only as a description of what gravity cause to objects in the proximity.
Rudolf
Using the geometry is usefull only to describe what the effect of grafity is. For me it fails to explain the 'why' it works in a plain logical way. You may choose to see geometry in a different light and that it helps explain gravity but I see it only as a description of what gravity cause to objects in the proximity.
Rudolf
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21 years 9 months ago #4726
by Mac
Replied by Mac on topic Reply from Dan McCoin
rudolph,
Geometry only comes into play in that it is the boundries from which sources of (I'll use MM terminology here) graviton wind can come from and impact upon the gravitating bodies. If it doesn't fall in line of the "Cones of Sources" it can't contribute to the force of gravity between such bodies.
I agree that Black Holes as currently proposed probably do not exist. However, I also believe there are things there that they are calling Black HOles that ae very massive and dense but do not necessarily extend to the mathematical projected singularity.
See my home site for more on "Geometry and gravity".
Mac
Geometry only comes into play in that it is the boundries from which sources of (I'll use MM terminology here) graviton wind can come from and impact upon the gravitating bodies. If it doesn't fall in line of the "Cones of Sources" it can't contribute to the force of gravity between such bodies.
I agree that Black Holes as currently proposed probably do not exist. However, I also believe there are things there that they are calling Black HOles that ae very massive and dense but do not necessarily extend to the mathematical projected singularity.
See my home site for more on "Geometry and gravity".
Mac
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21 years 9 months ago #4598
by Rudolf
Replied by Rudolf on topic Reply from Rudolf Henning
I agree that super massive objects can exist that might be describe as balck holes by some - but they are not singularities like you say.
Sorry , I know you stated your web address somewhere but I can't seem to find it now. Would you care to repeat it again please?
Thanks
Rudolf
Sorry , I know you stated your web address somewhere but I can't seem to find it now. Would you care to repeat it again please?
Thanks
Rudolf
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21 years 9 months ago #4601
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21 years 9 months ago #4602
by Rudolf
Replied by Rudolf on topic Reply from Rudolf Henning
thanks,
Would it make a difference if I 'jump' towards your article in the book 'pushing gravity'? Some of the beginning chapters mostly describe La Sage history and the people that interacted with him.
Rudolf
Would it make a difference if I 'jump' towards your article in the book 'pushing gravity'? Some of the beginning chapters mostly describe La Sage history and the people that interacted with him.
Rudolf
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