The Theory of Invariance

Stoat,

I thought we were talking about waves traveling through the aether substance? Light has no particle properties while is is traveling. For example:
<ul><li>particles in intersecting particle beams hit each other</li><li> waves in intersecting light beams do not</li></ul> Photons (and the particle properties associated with light) only show up when light interacts with matter. (Matter other than the particles comprising the medium through which light propagates, of course. IOW, matter that we can detect.)

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What is a 'cocked hat', and how does guessing knock steel into one?

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If the particles of your proposed aether substance have a mass similar to the proton, we would have discovered them a long time ago. Data from centuries of observation limits any hypothetical aether particle's mass to be well under the mass of the smallest particle we can presently detect. Our guessing presently puts the maximum possible value at around 10^-4 electron masses, and the likely minimum value at around 10^-10 electron masses. But that is a wide range, and we are much less sure of the lower constraint than the upper one.

(I guess I'm not getting your point either.)

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<br />Hi Cindy, I'm still thinking about your last post. I did try and go back to your blog, to see if I could see the argument in proper scientific notation but I couldn't get back to it. I hate having to read maths on this site, because even expressions which are familiar look odd when written down here.

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Hi Stoat,

Thanks for your reply.
This is blog address: theoryofinvariance.blogspot.com/

In section III, Blue Shift/Red Shift
The derived shift equation is ratio of frequencies:

f/f<font size="1">o</font id="size1"> = e^(gh/cc)

(Equation 3.7 in the blog)

This Equation and its infintity form, Equation 3.9 in the blog:
f<font size="1">inf</font id="size1">/f<font size="1">o</font id="size1"> = e^(-GM/Rcc)
which,
M and R are mass and radius of a star, planet,...

state that black hole does not exist.

Hi Larry, the mass I get for an aether particle is a bit low if anything. Tool steel s a very rigid material but I'm saying that the aether is about a hundred billion times more rigid, if you want phonons to propagate at the speed of light. I'm also saying that this material is a viscoelastic, and a negative refractive index viscoelastic at that. In short it's a guesstimate of the Higgs mass, among all the others. If v^2 = E*x^3 /m then when v = c we have mc^2 = E*x^3
where E here is Young's modulus. With my guesses at Young's modulus and the particle spacing, I get about 7.6E-12 N m^-1 for the value of the spring constant k. Altering the value of x^3 a tiny bit will give us the favourite value for the Higgs.

<b>[Stoat]" ... the mass I get for an aether particle is a bit low if anything."</b>

Too bad you can't be right on this one. With particles that big we would have detected the aether almost as soon as we thought of the idea, and we'd probably already have space drives.

(Let me know when you reach the end of that blind ally.)

<b>[Stoat] "Tool steel s a very rigid material but I'm saying that the aether is about a hundred billion times more rigid, ..."</b>

I'm more comfortable with something in the neighborhood of 5 billion times, but you seem to have the right idea. The aether must be very stiff to have a bulk transverse wave speed of three hundred thousand kilometers per second.

(And yet at the same time it must be as tenuous as a vacuum. How can both of these properties exist in the same medium? What sort of particle, with what properties, when put together with a boat load of others just like it, could make a <u>vacuum</u> that was also stiffer than a nail?)

We might both be way off on the numerical value for stiffness, of course. Until we can detect things much smaller than the electron, we are stuck with guessing.

<b>[Stoat] "... if you want phonons to propagate at the speed of light."</b>

Not really. Not photons, either. I'm wondering about EM waves.

It seems to me(whatever that is worth)you guys are searching for a particle now known are the charge on the electron. This is in fact the photon and when that is established a lot of the static will be over.

Hi Jim, when in the past I've talked about the Higgs, I've always thought of it as a null particle, the "chassis" energy of the universe which we take to be zero. That would give us an unbalanced star delta starter arrangement for quarks. Thinking about it as an aether particle is pretty interesting. Now I reckon that the momentum of a graviton is going to about 1E-60 kg. A bottom line minimum energy photon is going to have a mass energy equivalent momentum of about 1E-54 kg.

I would argue that the Higgs mass is the gravitational mass of a particle having an e.m. mass of about 1E-60 kg. That value will obviously depend on the speed of gravity, which in a matter containing universe is huge but finite. Now if we consider a graviton to have a wavelength equal to the event horizon of the universe, and the event horizon to be one gravitational second, it's everywhere at once. It prepreps the aether for photons to be emitted and received.