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Gravity Probe B
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">If one thing exists in an infinite universe, there is no requirement that an exact duplicate also exist.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Just so as to pin you down to understand where you are coming from - Are you to say that there is a requirement that there are no duplicates in an infinitely scaled universe?
Is our scale finite?
I'm just not following your logic.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1,,,,,,,,
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,,,,,,,,
Both lines above represent the same thing. For instance - Eight in the second line is just another one. It subsumes the seven ones before it( 7+1=8 ).
In reality there are only ones, one at a time.
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Ans: in the reality of math, how does this relate to physical reality?
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<br />Are you to say that there is a requirement that there are no duplicates in an infinitely scaled universe?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">In mathematically infinite sets, there can be exact duplicates or not. But there is no necessity for duplicates just because the set is infinite.
In physically infinite sets, there is no sensible meaning to "exact duplicates" of physical objects because everything is infinitely composed.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is our scale finite?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Scale is infinite. Our scale is one of an infinite set.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In reality there are only ones, one at a time.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Sorry, I'm still not getting it. -|Tom|-
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<br />why does this not strike you as a finite situation?,when the planet does die, no matter the reason it will, it will take all the universe with it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">All the <i>visible</i> universe, yes, of course. Did you think everything we see was going to last forever? All forms are finite.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">now since it is just a matter of scale, physics is the same, how does something 1000 times the universe's size produce something billions of times smaller than even an atom?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The megaplanet (remember, this is an example of what might be on a larger scale, not a definite thing) might have a mega-atmosphere whose molecules are our galaxy clusters, and whose atoms are our galaxies. Or the elysium filling our visible universe might be like an ocean of the megaplanet, with galaxy clusters playing the role of water molecules instead of air molecules.
Either way, all mediums remain infinitely divisible. Just as Earth's oceans are filled with water, which is made of baryons, which are immersed in elysium, which is continually bombarded by gravitons, the same is true of larger-scale media too. Every medium on every scale is part of an infinite continuum of mediums both larger and smaller than itself.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">if this planet is in a solar system then it must get energy from it's Sun and therefore energize it's atmosphere, which should brighten our universe at some point.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Brighten it with what? Our universe is already filled with elysium, the light-carrying medium. Its total energy content defines "absolute zero" on our temperature scale, which might turn out to be relatively hot compared to the energy available in "vacuums" elsewhere in the larger universe.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">if a rogue i'm sure that the blast of a supernova would blast away any atmosphere it had.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The melting of surface layers from the blast would produce more out-gassing than the total of what was blown away.
But you are taking these terms too literally. The basic rule of thumb is that all scales are fundamentally the same. There is no observation you could make that would tell you what scale you are on. It's all relative, in a sense much deeper than Einstein ever dreamed. -|Tom|-
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In physically infinite sets, there is no sensible meaning to "exact duplicates" of physical objects because everything is infinitely composed.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Once again - I cannot prove you wrong here. If you could live a billion years longer, wherein 99.9% of that time, no other scale has been detected, and I'm speaking of the latter part of that billion years - You could still say there is an infinity of scales, and I would be compelled to say " I can't prove you wrong". The MM is basically saying that anything is possible, and that proof is impossible by the very nature of it's design.
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In reality there are only ones, one at a time.
Sorry, I'm still not getting it. -|Tom|- <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You will not see, touch, or here anything different than one at a time. The universe does not present itself to you in any other way. Even in MM - Reality will present itself to you one at a time. I don't know how else to explain this other than to tell you to look around to see for yourself. It's stamped on every item that you see, on every set of items that you see. One is common to all that exist.
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Perhaps you have some sort of vision problem?
My wife has two ... um ... my computer has two speakers. I hear them at the same time.
Perhaps you have some sort of hearing problem?
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