The entropy of systems

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Light travels the same distance with time, therefore the universe must be a sphere. (it is not infinite for the same reason.)
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Stoat,

I see a problem with item 2: If ftl speeds are true then we need to replace "light" with "event"
....cripes this is not easy....

Stoat,

This is what I posted earlier:

"Here is what I think affects the speed of electrons:
The changing distance with time from:

1) center of nucleus to electron
2) center of atom to molecules
3) center of mass of molecules to a more massive body (Earth)
4) center of Earth to center of Sun
5) center of solar system to center of galaxy
6) center of galaxy and center of cluster of galaxies
7) center of cluster to center of mega cluster"

Maybe one way to solve how an atom reacts to a change in position would be to find out what causes motion for the planets and then move up the list (from 5 to 1 -we can leave out 6 & 7 their action is negligible)

I found something close to what I am looking for: "the n-body problem"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-body_problem

This is simplified with the 3-body problem. (please see visualization of the three interacting particles)
The chaotic movement of the three particles are based <b>only on gravitational interactions according to Newton's Law</b>.

This shows the motion of three particles of equivalent mass. If one particle had a greater mass, the motion would not be as shown.
Other factors do not seem to be included:
- varying energy in a system which would change the speed of the interactions.
- How does time affect motion?
- How does this group of particles move in space (in which direction would the box move)?

These questions seem to be addressed by chemistry and quantum mechanics with the "many body problem":
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-body_problem

Is the motion, and the changing energy state of a system affecting all the individual bodies of that sytem? (I say yes.)

So when the sun goes progressively into solar max. in the next 4 to 5 years, this will have an effect on the energy state and motion of the planets all the way down the chain of events to the energy state and motion of the electrons.

Stoat,
The equation we are looking for seems extremely complex, but if it is simplified enough, it should come pretty close to E=mc^2

Do you know anyone that could help?

Hi GD, it would be good if someone could check out my maths for the speed of gravity. We take that equation for force, F = Ea / c^2 and we say that E * a = 1 Then the force is going to be the reciprocal of the speed of light squared. Now the force of gravity is supposed to be
6 *10^-39 less than the strong force. Multiply that by the reciprocal of the speed of light squared, invert the result and take the square root. Then divide that by the speed of light to get the speed of gravity.

But that's for the strong force, to get it for the electromagnetic force we have to multiply that number by the fine structure constant. Doing that I get 9.42084165838E 16 Note that that is very close to c^2. Multiply that number by the speed of light, to get the speed of gravity. Then square that number. 7.976E 50

Obviously the speed of light squared, divided by the speed of gravity squared is going to be a pretty important ratio. With these figures that ratio gives us something smaller than h by about six. That's close!

So, what would happen to the Lorentzian when we look at frequency changes. It can be the square root, of one minus whole number multiples of h but at the speed of light we must allow for a phase transition which will give us one plus h. Then it would be fractional multiples of h down to our everyday velocities.

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<br />Obviously the speed of light squared, divided by the speed of gravity squared is going to be a pretty important ratio. With these figures that ratio gives us something smaller than h by about six. That's close!
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I think there is a relationship between electron speed and distribution of mass!

Stoat, on my previous post I mentioned that the effect with time was not included with the 3-body problem. To be more precise I meant <i>change with time.</i>

Here is someone who tackled the 3-body problem:
Henri Poincaré:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincar%C3%A...e_three-body_problem

And the one who solved the problem:
Grigori Perelman:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Perelman

Maybe he would be the person who could help us solve this problem.

Hi GD, I don't think we need concern ourselves with the n body problem. It's a problem of how nearly equal masses would behave. The solar system is a different ball game (excuse the pun []) To give you an idea. Say the sun is the size of a pool ball, then Jupiter would be about 6mm in diameter. The planetary orbits of our solar system are well behaved.

Stoat,

Lets compare sizes of sun/earth and billiard ball/grain of sand...
what is different?

The solar system was once a gigantic cloud of hydrogen atoms. What happened to a zillion individual atoms to form into planets, asteroids...

Lets say to simplify things, we bring the zillion atoms in the cloud down to three atoms so this resembles the 3-body problem.
For this example we will add the arrow of time.

How does time affect motion?
How does time affect energy in a mass?
How does energy in a mass affect motion?

Time and energy... how are worlds created with these two elements?

Stoat, lets take some time off from this. I think we have spent already too much valuable time on this...
Lets do something interesting for a change. Have a good one []