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19 years 11 months ago #11797
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mhelland</i>
<br />there doesn't seem to be a definitive overview or paper about the Meta Model prominately displayed on your home page.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The Meta Model was published in the first five chapters of my book <i>Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets</i>. While particular related issues (such as the speed of gravity) are addressed in other places, that book is still the only place where the full MM is published.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Second, I was wondering if you could read this:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Meta Research now receives so many requests for review and comment that it is impossible to respond to more than a very small percentage of them. Also, our income to support any work has been drastically curtailed since 9/11 because we can no longer run our expeditions and because members generally are making smaller donations.
We responded to both situations by creating our "Professional Manuscropt Review Service". See metaresearch.org/publications/PMRS/PMRS.asp
which also has a few suggestions for free feedback.
Feel free to ask for comments by others who read this Message Board. But if you need feedback from me or any of our affiliated professionals, you should be prepared to compensate them for their time so that independent organizations such as Meta Research, that receive no government, industry, or university support, can continue to exist. -|Tom|-
<br />there doesn't seem to be a definitive overview or paper about the Meta Model prominately displayed on your home page.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The Meta Model was published in the first five chapters of my book <i>Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets</i>. While particular related issues (such as the speed of gravity) are addressed in other places, that book is still the only place where the full MM is published.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Second, I was wondering if you could read this:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Meta Research now receives so many requests for review and comment that it is impossible to respond to more than a very small percentage of them. Also, our income to support any work has been drastically curtailed since 9/11 because we can no longer run our expeditions and because members generally are making smaller donations.
We responded to both situations by creating our "Professional Manuscropt Review Service". See metaresearch.org/publications/PMRS/PMRS.asp
which also has a few suggestions for free feedback.
Feel free to ask for comments by others who read this Message Board. But if you need feedback from me or any of our affiliated professionals, you should be prepared to compensate them for their time so that independent organizations such as Meta Research, that receive no government, industry, or university support, can continue to exist. -|Tom|-
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19 years 11 months ago #11856
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Have you considered that requiring someone to buy your book is prohibiting the propogation and thus acceptance of your model?
Or are you not too concerned about how many people are aware of your ideas?
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Or are you not too concerned about how many people are aware of your ideas?
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19 years 11 months ago #12006
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mhelland</i>
<br />Have you considered that requiring someone to buy your book is prohibiting the propogation and thus acceptance of your model?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I cannot accept the implied premise for your question, that I require anyone to buy my book. I referred you to my book, the only place where MM is fully developed. What is the alternative? Those five chapters are too long to be a technical paper in a journal. It takes a book to develop a cosmology properly. For those without the resources or interest in purchasing a book but who nonetheless might wish to read part or all of it, that is the function served by libraries.
The MRB has carried many shorter articles describing particular aspects of MM and its comparison with BB. Anyone with a serious interest can acquire the three books we recommend plus membership, an MRB subscription, and EME Notes for less than the cost of most journals or even the better news magazines. They would then be up to date on both the models and the technical discussion of them.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Or are you not too concerned about how many people are aware of your ideas?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I am not trying to keep knowledge from anyone. But speaking for myself, I'm not very motivated by either money or proselytizing. When I made the decision to break away from the mainstream of my field, it was based on a decision that I would rather find a true and deep understanding of nature than have any amount of financial reward or praise/recognition from my peers. I know that most of them have made or would make the opposite choice if presented with a similar dilemma.
Although neither I nor Meta Research is in a position to underwrite free distribution of the resources we have, I have also never turned down anyone who requested these resources but presented impecunious circumstances. And our Board is always open to suggestions related to the advancement of science generally. For example, we are considering placing older issues of MRB and other published content onto our web site. But I don't possess the needed skills, and our few volunteers find the task too daunting. The project has made almost no progress in almost two years now. -|Tom|-
<br />Have you considered that requiring someone to buy your book is prohibiting the propogation and thus acceptance of your model?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I cannot accept the implied premise for your question, that I require anyone to buy my book. I referred you to my book, the only place where MM is fully developed. What is the alternative? Those five chapters are too long to be a technical paper in a journal. It takes a book to develop a cosmology properly. For those without the resources or interest in purchasing a book but who nonetheless might wish to read part or all of it, that is the function served by libraries.
The MRB has carried many shorter articles describing particular aspects of MM and its comparison with BB. Anyone with a serious interest can acquire the three books we recommend plus membership, an MRB subscription, and EME Notes for less than the cost of most journals or even the better news magazines. They would then be up to date on both the models and the technical discussion of them.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Or are you not too concerned about how many people are aware of your ideas?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I am not trying to keep knowledge from anyone. But speaking for myself, I'm not very motivated by either money or proselytizing. When I made the decision to break away from the mainstream of my field, it was based on a decision that I would rather find a true and deep understanding of nature than have any amount of financial reward or praise/recognition from my peers. I know that most of them have made or would make the opposite choice if presented with a similar dilemma.
Although neither I nor Meta Research is in a position to underwrite free distribution of the resources we have, I have also never turned down anyone who requested these resources but presented impecunious circumstances. And our Board is always open to suggestions related to the advancement of science generally. For example, we are considering placing older issues of MRB and other published content onto our web site. But I don't possess the needed skills, and our few volunteers find the task too daunting. The project has made almost no progress in almost two years now. -|Tom|-
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19 years 11 months ago #12007
by mhelland
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I cannot accept the implied premise for your question, that I require anyone to buy my book. I referred you to my book, the only place where MM is fully developed. What is the alternative? Those five chapters are too long to be a technical paper in a journal. It takes a book to develop a cosmology properly. For those without the resources or interest in purchasing a book but who nonetheless might wish to read part or all of it, that is the function served by libraries.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You make a good point about the libraries, though I'll have to check to see whether your book is in my local library or not.
As far as an alternative, I thought posting it on the web was pretty a obvious one.
My post wasn't meant to imply that you would be seeking glory, but instead if you truly believe your ideas are good ones, you would be somewhat inclined to put it in front of as many readers as possible, as that is how you will get the most criticisms of your model.
And the more criticisms that are proposed and addressed, the more the science advances. And I would assume that this is your reason for publishing the model at all, as you say:
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">And our Board is always open to suggestions related to the advancement of science generally. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I would suggest publishing the first five chapters of your book on your website.
mhelland@techmocracy.net
You make a good point about the libraries, though I'll have to check to see whether your book is in my local library or not.
As far as an alternative, I thought posting it on the web was pretty a obvious one.
My post wasn't meant to imply that you would be seeking glory, but instead if you truly believe your ideas are good ones, you would be somewhat inclined to put it in front of as many readers as possible, as that is how you will get the most criticisms of your model.
And the more criticisms that are proposed and addressed, the more the science advances. And I would assume that this is your reason for publishing the model at all, as you say:
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">And our Board is always open to suggestions related to the advancement of science generally. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I would suggest publishing the first five chapters of your book on your website.
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19 years 11 months ago #11858
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mhelland</i>
<br />You make a good point about the libraries, though I'll have to check to see whether your book is in my local library or not.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It will be found mainly in technical libraries. But the libraries in this area can now get almost anything via inter-library loan.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I would suggest publishing the first five chapters of your book on your website.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That's a lot of material with figures and references. My skills are limited to saving MS Word files in HTML and copying that to a template for web posting. Something that long would have to be broken into pages -- probably many pages. Our web volunteers are unable to keep up with the material we publish now. Getting non-trivial material onto web sites is a non-trivial process. I can only tell you that our Board will meet later this month to consider ways to expedite the process. We would like to get more material on-line, but it takes time and labor, and has associated costs. -|Tom|-
<br />You make a good point about the libraries, though I'll have to check to see whether your book is in my local library or not.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It will be found mainly in technical libraries. But the libraries in this area can now get almost anything via inter-library loan.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I would suggest publishing the first five chapters of your book on your website.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That's a lot of material with figures and references. My skills are limited to saving MS Word files in HTML and copying that to a template for web posting. Something that long would have to be broken into pages -- probably many pages. Our web volunteers are unable to keep up with the material we publish now. Getting non-trivial material onto web sites is a non-trivial process. I can only tell you that our Board will meet later this month to consider ways to expedite the process. We would like to get more material on-line, but it takes time and labor, and has associated costs. -|Tom|-
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19 years 11 months ago #11861
by mhelland
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Send me the material in whatever format you have, and I will gladly create web content out of it for you.
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