Gravity and Neutrinos

My perception of the gravatron is that it is an attempt to quantify gravity and it is not a particle like the neutrino. I see the neutrino as a bogus particle that fills a need in modeling.

A question. Can gravitons perhaps be a wave in space that are only detectable as particles when colliding with MI's? If so, can a gravity wave excert enough force to create the phenomena of gravity?

Mark Vitrone

two posts sorry, table my graviton wave thing. Reading back through, the idea that the graviton has high speed due to low mass is fine. However, where is the source of the high velocity? If the graviton has a detectable mass (very small) will it ever have to accelerate past light speed? Are there relativity implications in the propulsion of the graviton in space, or does it "begin" fast and get slowed down and accreted into larger masses after collision? If so, what mechanism creates new gravitons?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Are there relativity implications in the propulsion of the graviton in space...<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>Gravitons and their medium (along with some other possible medium-type entities) are the things that create the illusion of relativistic spacetime. So no, they are not a subject of relativity, they are part of its substratum.

The "illusion of space time" that just about sums up astrophysics-at least the theory end of the matter.

So in this thread we are defining the observation of general relativity as an illusion created by the presence of gravitons in space and then special relativity is negated as well since gravitons must be FTL and since they have mass must have at some point accelerated past light speed. As an alternate idea, is it possible that only matter bound electromagnetically must obey special relativity since EM waves degrade as they apply wave pressure on their own medium. MI's as small as gravitons would then have an upper speed limit defined by the graviton medium that they propagate through. Collision of those gravitons into the EM bound "larger" MI's then causes them to decellerate and accrete with the larger. Thus the graviton is included with its negligable mass and now will obey Light's special relativity.