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21 years 3 weeks ago #7010
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Replied by rousejohnny on topic Reply from Johnny Rouse
Is it possible that in an atom that the elysium packing between the electron and the proton is mistaken or better yet, defined as a neutron and this is why no neutron is observed independent of the atom? I really am starting to like these ideas. I am slow sometimes.
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21 years 3 weeks ago #7011
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br />Is it possible that in an atom that the elysium packing between the electron and the proton is mistaken or better yet, defined as a neutron and this is why no neutron is observed independent of the atom?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, several possibilities are still in play for neutrons. You just mentioned one of them. To narrow the possibilities requires someone who knows all the relevant experiments in enough detail to distinguish model-dependent conclusions from what the experiments really showed. I have those covered in astronomy, gravity, and relativity, but not in quantum mechanics. -|Tom|-
<br />Is it possible that in an atom that the elysium packing between the electron and the proton is mistaken or better yet, defined as a neutron and this is why no neutron is observed independent of the atom?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, several possibilities are still in play for neutrons. You just mentioned one of them. To narrow the possibilities requires someone who knows all the relevant experiments in enough detail to distinguish model-dependent conclusions from what the experiments really showed. I have those covered in astronomy, gravity, and relativity, but not in quantum mechanics. -|Tom|-
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21 years 3 weeks ago #7194
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Replied by Rudolf on topic Reply from Rudolf Henning
Sorry but perhaps another dumb question, are'nt the only difference between neutrons and protons the charge? How is it possible then that nuclear fision can occur where protons break down and 'becomes' a neutron? Also, in fision where does the loose neutrons some from that initiate further fision?
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21 years 6 days ago #7395
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Replied by Meta on topic Reply from Robert Grace
Tom,
Why are you using the word Elysium to describe the medium of space, or the non-medium if you want to be very technical, when there is already a word for this, which is Aether.
Are you saying Elysium and Aether have two different meanings?
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Why are you using the word Elysium to describe the medium of space, or the non-medium if you want to be very technical, when there is already a word for this, which is Aether.
Are you saying Elysium and Aether have two different meanings?
Meta
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21 years 6 days ago #7396
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Meta</i>
<br />Why are you using the word Elysium to describe the medium of space, or the non-medium if you want to be very technical, when there is already a word for this, which is Aether. Are you saying Elysium and Aether have two different meanings?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes. Aether provides a universal rest frame. Elysium is entrained by masses, so every local gravity field is a local rest frame, and as good as any other. So elysium obeys the relativity principle, whereas classical aether does not.
The origin of the word is the phonetic similarity of "elysium" to "LCM" for "light-carrying medium". Also Elysium Fields were a feature of Greek mythology, and our elysium is apparently identical to the local gravitational potential field. So both usages are closely associated with fields. -|Tom|-
<br />Why are you using the word Elysium to describe the medium of space, or the non-medium if you want to be very technical, when there is already a word for this, which is Aether. Are you saying Elysium and Aether have two different meanings?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes. Aether provides a universal rest frame. Elysium is entrained by masses, so every local gravity field is a local rest frame, and as good as any other. So elysium obeys the relativity principle, whereas classical aether does not.
The origin of the word is the phonetic similarity of "elysium" to "LCM" for "light-carrying medium". Also Elysium Fields were a feature of Greek mythology, and our elysium is apparently identical to the local gravitational potential field. So both usages are closely associated with fields. -|Tom|-
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21 years 6 days ago #7403
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Replied by Mac on topic Reply from Dan McCoin
meta,
No slur against Tom here but the fact is the term is a new version of the old entrained ether concept and has evolved because any use of the term ether yields an immediate rejection without further evaluationj of most any concept.
BTW, I agree with the concept, so I am not being negative. I am only being pragmatic.
"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien
No slur against Tom here but the fact is the term is a new version of the old entrained ether concept and has evolved because any use of the term ether yields an immediate rejection without further evaluationj of most any concept.
BTW, I agree with the concept, so I am not being negative. I am only being pragmatic.
"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien
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