Age of the Galaxy in MM

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I think that assuming the likelihood of intelligent life without knowing its true statistical amount and a dozen other yet unproven things is laughable.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
One of the three "rational possibilities" is just that ... that there is no one there ... or a variant - that colonization hasn't started yet. What is laughable is that "if" there are civilizations out there ... and ... space travel is possible ... they don't ever go and just stay at home. Get it?
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">expansion needs an incentive because it is expensive and difficult.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
It costs nothing. You are assuming that "work" has to be done as in 9-5. By the time the earth is ready to colonize anything at all, almost everything will be done by automation, i.e. if you want a flotila of interstellar ships you just have to initiate a computer program and machines will carry out the manufacture (provided that it's possible). And the difficulties will have been worked out over many thousands of years by people thinking about it just for the intellectual exercise.

No incentive beyond simple curiosity and intellectual interest is required.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Historically 2 and 3 have been the primary drivers of independant colonies<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
That's just it ... "historically".

Your historical perspective is too provincial. It extends to only a few thousand years of recorded history. Would your perspective still be the same 1,000,000 years from now? What would motivate people so far in the future? Do you think that their world will be the same as ours?

I think only #5 would be left by then and it would be considered of little consequence because it would be easy to see it coming and step out of the way. The big motivator might be #6 ... just to do "something" which is consistent with one's nature as and intelligent being. This means checking out the rest of the universe as far as one is able.

EBTX
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">... or a variant - that colonization hasn't started yet<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

This is in my view a real possibility. Since we take the universe as being infinite in extend and duration, this does not mean that the universe must be completely colonized by sentient beings as we speak.

Indeed, all forms have finite life spans, meaning a measurable beginning and end on the time line. It is therefore perfectly possible that colonization of sentient forms is yet about to commence. No?

EBTX

as i have mentioned before, that perhaps each galaxy has only a very small potential to produce living beings,which must also survive their primitive existence in order to reach the point where they can go beyond this and with some luck as well find their potential.

look whats happening on this planet, we are now i feel at a cross roads in our existence,will religious zealots get the opportunity to destroy us some how? or will we survive this insanity and move ahead? i do think we will survive by the way!!(all this religious stuff i find extremely unnatural,i mean people are willing to kill one of there own being over these gods!! believe what they want but at least draw the line when a god becomes more important than the survival of your own human being,your very essence) so there is also the psychology of survival. the psychology of any being is probably the single biggest determining factor in their long term actions and survival.

by the way i really hope that we always keep this drive to EXPLORE and COLONIZE,lets go the moon,mars and beyond!! in some ways i think that perhaps our survival depends on it because it gives us the room needed to give the freedom of heart,soul and mind,which together needs the chance to experience it's philosophy and ideas.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Indeed, all forms have finite life spans, meaning a measurable beginning and end on the time line. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Yes, they do. But that time span compared to the age of the universe is significant, i.e. perhaps a few billion years. In that time one planet could colonize the entire galaxy 20-50 times over (at low speed).

It is possible that colonization has just begun. But this means that we are in a "priviliged" position. We are just at the beginning rather than in the statistically more probable "middle". If we are in the middle then the colonization phase is probably finished.

There is one other counter-argument I thought of. It could be that a civilization reaches a phase where they look "inward" more that "outward" so that they develop super-duper computers that mimic another universe internally (as a program) so that they can populate that ... somehow. Or, maybe they get bored and just decide to "do it over again from the Neanderthal phase". But then there will always be those who stick with this universe and just colonize it and "tend their gardens".

Могу я связаться с админом ??
Это очень важно.
С уважением.