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20 years 9 months ago #8211
by Jan
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MV,
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<br />Uncertainty is really not a problem in the context of the MM. Location, detection, and "photographic" resolution of particles is not possible if they are part of the elysium matrix. Resolution of those particles by a system not influenced by the elysium matrix (like a graviton based system) would allow easy resolution of those particles. Resolution of scales at or larger than ours that are within our technological grasp are fine until the limits are reached. Trying to use light to see light effects is not practical and will lead to mathematical anomolies like the Uncertainty Principle. If a graviton microscope could be developed, resolving electrons would be child's play since that resolution would not influence the electron. Bacteria don't notice when we shine a little light on them and look through a microscope, they don't die, they don't move more, anything! MV
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To summarise your post:
Uncertainty Principle == Our inability to "zoom in" any further.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by MarkVitrone</i>
<br />Uncertainty is really not a problem in the context of the MM. Location, detection, and "photographic" resolution of particles is not possible if they are part of the elysium matrix. Resolution of those particles by a system not influenced by the elysium matrix (like a graviton based system) would allow easy resolution of those particles. Resolution of scales at or larger than ours that are within our technological grasp are fine until the limits are reached. Trying to use light to see light effects is not practical and will lead to mathematical anomolies like the Uncertainty Principle. If a graviton microscope could be developed, resolving electrons would be child's play since that resolution would not influence the electron. Bacteria don't notice when we shine a little light on them and look through a microscope, they don't die, they don't move more, anything! MV
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To summarise your post:
Uncertainty Principle == Our inability to "zoom in" any further.
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20 years 9 months ago #8443
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Other than its use in models I see no need for an electron to exist. Can anyone tell if electrons exist other than in models? And how do you determine the mass of an electron if it is moving at the speed of light?
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20 years 9 months ago #8213
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by MarkVitrone</i>
<br />Uncertainty is really not a problem in the context of the MM. Location, detection, and "photographic" resolution of particles is not possible if they are part of the elysium matrix. Resolution of those particles by a system not influenced by the elysium matrix (like a graviton based system) would allow easy resolution of those particles. Resolution of scales at or larger than ours that are within our technological grasp are fine until the limits are reached. Trying to use light to see light effects is not practical and will lead to mathematical anomolies like the Uncertainty Principle. If a graviton microscope could be developed, resolving electrons would be child's play since that resolution would not influence the electron. Bacteria don't notice when we shine a little light on them and look through a microscope, they don't die, they don't move more, anything! MV
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If the Indians had started with four sighted individuals that
had seen a Hindu elephant prior to being blinded, I'm sure they would've had no problems deducing the structure they were feeling was indeed a Hindu elephant. Conversely, I don't think it would be that difficult for Indians blinded from birth to deduce the parts they individually felt of the big elephant were merely parts making up the Hindu elephant, if they had been taught what an elephant should "look" like, and had the experience of feeling other animals before.
But even if you were not a blind Indian, one should still
be able to, using deductive reasoning, figure out the mechanisms and structures of natural and man-made subjects- if we but assumed a mechanistic causality.
A trained watchmaker would be able to, for example, give you a list of the parts and draft you a likely picture of the way the parts are assembled inside an Omega watch , even without opening the watch to look inside.
A skilled computer designer in a Chinese or Japanese Intel
factory would be able to draw you a possible blueprint and
detail every part and their functions of your laptop without
using a philips screwdriver to remove a single screw.
Our great ability to deduce things is demonstrated even in every day tasks such as eating. Blindfolded in a Vietamese restaurant, almost any one who has tasted salt and pepper, beef, chicken,pork or fish before would be able to guess if it was present or not in a bowl of soup they
were eating. Without looking at your hamburger, you would be able
to tell if ketchup was pasted on the buns. You could reach into a bag of chips and tell if one of the ingredients was onion. Soy sauce in fried rice or not. And with a little imagination, you may even make a good guess at how these foods were made.
Imagine for a moment that all the knowledge we have to aid us in these quick (and correct) deductions were all gone- would these deductions still be possible? Physically, sure, since the knowledge is just a particular arrangement of our brain. It would take quite
an imaginative mind but sure. But the only reason this knowledge would still exist potentially is because the world worked the way it did before the knowledge we had was annihilated in our hypothetical scenario. That is, causally, in a mechanical way.
Otoh, a quantum civilization who got stuck in the Stone Age would
probably take a few billion years to figure out how to even start a fire.
<br />Uncertainty is really not a problem in the context of the MM. Location, detection, and "photographic" resolution of particles is not possible if they are part of the elysium matrix. Resolution of those particles by a system not influenced by the elysium matrix (like a graviton based system) would allow easy resolution of those particles. Resolution of scales at or larger than ours that are within our technological grasp are fine until the limits are reached. Trying to use light to see light effects is not practical and will lead to mathematical anomolies like the Uncertainty Principle. If a graviton microscope could be developed, resolving electrons would be child's play since that resolution would not influence the electron. Bacteria don't notice when we shine a little light on them and look through a microscope, they don't die, they don't move more, anything! MV
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If the Indians had started with four sighted individuals that
had seen a Hindu elephant prior to being blinded, I'm sure they would've had no problems deducing the structure they were feeling was indeed a Hindu elephant. Conversely, I don't think it would be that difficult for Indians blinded from birth to deduce the parts they individually felt of the big elephant were merely parts making up the Hindu elephant, if they had been taught what an elephant should "look" like, and had the experience of feeling other animals before.
But even if you were not a blind Indian, one should still
be able to, using deductive reasoning, figure out the mechanisms and structures of natural and man-made subjects- if we but assumed a mechanistic causality.
A trained watchmaker would be able to, for example, give you a list of the parts and draft you a likely picture of the way the parts are assembled inside an Omega watch , even without opening the watch to look inside.
A skilled computer designer in a Chinese or Japanese Intel
factory would be able to draw you a possible blueprint and
detail every part and their functions of your laptop without
using a philips screwdriver to remove a single screw.
Our great ability to deduce things is demonstrated even in every day tasks such as eating. Blindfolded in a Vietamese restaurant, almost any one who has tasted salt and pepper, beef, chicken,pork or fish before would be able to guess if it was present or not in a bowl of soup they
were eating. Without looking at your hamburger, you would be able
to tell if ketchup was pasted on the buns. You could reach into a bag of chips and tell if one of the ingredients was onion. Soy sauce in fried rice or not. And with a little imagination, you may even make a good guess at how these foods were made.
Imagine for a moment that all the knowledge we have to aid us in these quick (and correct) deductions were all gone- would these deductions still be possible? Physically, sure, since the knowledge is just a particular arrangement of our brain. It would take quite
an imaginative mind but sure. But the only reason this knowledge would still exist potentially is because the world worked the way it did before the knowledge we had was annihilated in our hypothetical scenario. That is, causally, in a mechanical way.
Otoh, a quantum civilization who got stuck in the Stone Age would
probably take a few billion years to figure out how to even start a fire.
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20 years 9 months ago #8233
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Jan, The Uncertainty Principle was shown to be unnessary by Faynman in his QED book. He did a better model (which of course I have issues with but a better model anyway). He got better resolution from his model than what you say is impossible in current models.
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20 years 9 months ago #8640
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While for the record I love and appreciate all stone age peoples. I am saying that uncertainty is a byproduct of equipment failures rather than brilliance. MV
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20 years 9 months ago #8279
by Jan
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Jim,
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />Jan, The Uncertainty Principle was shown to be unnessary by Faynman in his QED book. He did a better model (which of course I have issues with but a better model anyway). He got better resolution from his model than what you say is impossible in current models.
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I'm not familiar with QED, but what are Feynmann's main arguments for the Uncertainty Principle to be unnecessary?
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />Jan, The Uncertainty Principle was shown to be unnessary by Faynman in his QED book. He did a better model (which of course I have issues with but a better model anyway). He got better resolution from his model than what you say is impossible in current models.
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I'm not familiar with QED, but what are Feynmann's main arguments for the Uncertainty Principle to be unnecessary?
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