MI collisions

rousejohnny

not only do i agree with your question but also

Tom

do the collisions from the "othersides" of infinity of scales cause a interference of collisions in are scales,and if not why not? and also do vibrations of the microscopic and macroscopic just appear out of the blue(meaning that they came from another scale with no cause from this side)?

[rousejohnny] "In MM does the energy exchange of collisions continue eternally since scale is infinate?"

No. It's just like Zeno fretting unnecessarily about his ability to cross the street. Time intervals get shorter at the same rate that distance intervals get smaller. The distance (sum of an infinite series) is a finite number, the time (sum of another infinite series) is a finite number, and their quotient (velocity) is a finite number.

The time required for momentum exchange in a collision is similarly finite. As you go down the scale dimension to look at the details of the interaction, time intervals (as judged from our scale) get proportionately shorter. If you could go all the way down, the infinite number of actions at the bottom would each occur in an infinitessimal period of time. The sum of all those time intervals would be a finite number.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
<br />do the collisions from the "othersides" of infinity of scales cause a interference of collisions in our scales, and if not why not?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There is no "otherside of infinity". Scale is a logarithmic dimension that can be mapped onto the positive real numbers. Negative scale has no defined meaning.

If you meant something else by that expression, please clarify.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">do vibrations of the microscopic and macroscopic just appear out of the blue (meaning that they came from another scale with no cause from this side)?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Nothing can violate the causality principle. Vibrations cannot happen unless a collision sets them off. -|Tom|-

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
<br />do the collisions from the "othersides" of infinity of scales cause a interference of collisions in our scales, and if not why not?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There is no "otherside of infinity". Scale is a logarithmic dimension that can be mapped onto the positive real numbers. Negative scale has no defined meaning.
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however from the larger scales,the vibrations would be positive.for the vibrations would work themselves down to the smaller scales.
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If you meant something else by that expression, please clarify.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">do vibrations of the microscopic and macroscopic just appear out of the blue (meaning that they came from another scale with no cause from this side)?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Nothing can violate the causality principle. Vibrations cannot happen unless a collision sets them off. -|Tom|-
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of course this does not answer the question,vibrations(collisions)in larger scales would set them off.
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supplemental

also there should be an infinity of cause and effect.

there is cause-effect which then leads back to the cause-effect of the above.

inotherwords cause-effect-cause-effect-cause-effect and so on.....

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
<br />however from the larger scales,the vibrations would be positive. for the vibrations would work themselves down to the smaller scales.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">If we were part of a large-scale vibration affecting all the galaxies in the Local Group, we would not notice because no significant change occurs during the lifetime of our entire species.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">vibrations (collisions) in larger scales would set them off.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Possible, but definitely not necessary. A rock thrown into a pond, or a finger bending a tuning fork, are examples of vibrations being initiated by a single collision on a larger scale, with no corresponding vibration on any larger scale.

In overview, vibration is a particular type of motion on a particular scale, and does not need to have recognizable counterparts on larger or smaller scales.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">also there should be an infinity of cause and effect.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Every effect is a change and therefore a cause of something else. But cause-effect does not translate well across scales because significant change occurs too fast on smaller scales and too slow on larger scales. -|Tom|-