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What is Energy?
19 years 9 months ago #12031
by north
and energy from what i understand, with the little i know of Cosmic plasmas,is where it all starts(the essence of all matter) which involves electric currents and magnetism(and perhaps gravity,not yet now convinced of its existence,since all matter has some sort of magnetism and electrics involved it its core constituents and that electromagnetism 10^39 stronger than gravity).
as well i see energy as a wave rather than a particle, yet it could be as Tom suggests that the wave its self could be particles,perhaps.
but the thing is that high energy plamsa has all particles within it,(and it is in a wave form) as well all radiation cannot be explained by Cosmic Plasmas alone, sooo.. there is something else that probably is contributing to our energy puzzle. could this radiation be bioenergy if you will?
all this to my mind needs further, deeper , investigation.
then the question What is Energy? i think is closer to being understood.
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and energy from what i understand, with the little i know of Cosmic plasmas,is where it all starts(the essence of all matter) which involves electric currents and magnetism(and perhaps gravity,not yet now convinced of its existence,since all matter has some sort of magnetism and electrics involved it its core constituents and that electromagnetism 10^39 stronger than gravity).
as well i see energy as a wave rather than a particle, yet it could be as Tom suggests that the wave its self could be particles,perhaps.
but the thing is that high energy plamsa has all particles within it,(and it is in a wave form) as well all radiation cannot be explained by Cosmic Plasmas alone, sooo.. there is something else that probably is contributing to our energy puzzle. could this radiation be bioenergy if you will?
all this to my mind needs further, deeper , investigation.
then the question What is Energy? i think is closer to being understood.
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19 years 9 months ago #12325
by north
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apparently there is also anti-matter to consider as well, since CERN has now the capability to produce and control this anti-matter.
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apparently there is also anti-matter to consider as well, since CERN has now the capability to produce and control this anti-matter.
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19 years 9 months ago #12032
by north
also i forgot to mention which at least was interesting to me, is that quantum mechanics can also be looked at, as the low energy state of matter, where as E=mc^2 as the high energy state of matter.
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also i forgot to mention which at least was interesting to me, is that quantum mechanics can also be looked at, as the low energy state of matter, where as E=mc^2 as the high energy state of matter.
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19 years 9 months ago #12038
by Messiah
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
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The two most basic fundamental concepts are
1) Existence (the nature of existences)
2) Change (how their condition is altered)
All measurement boils down to these two considerations
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What is the nature of Existence and WHY does it change?
Energy.......
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Before something can change or be changed it must first exist.
Change is a function of existence - i.e. you cannot have change without existence.
The function of energy is to 'change' the state of being of that which exists.
I ask again, which is the more fundamental?
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
The two most basic fundamental concepts are
1) Existence (the nature of existences)
2) Change (how their condition is altered)
All measurement boils down to these two considerations
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
What is the nature of Existence and WHY does it change?
Energy.......
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Before something can change or be changed it must first exist.
Change is a function of existence - i.e. you cannot have change without existence.
The function of energy is to 'change' the state of being of that which exists.
I ask again, which is the more fundamental?
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19 years 9 months ago #12140
by north
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Messiah</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
The two most basic fundamental concepts are
1) Existence (the nature of existences)
2) Change (how their condition is altered)
All measurement boils down to these two considerations
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
What is the nature of Existence and WHY does it change?
Energy.......
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Before something can change or be changed it must first exist.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
true
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Change is a function of existence - i.e. you cannot have change without existence.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
true
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The function of energy is to 'change' the state of being of that which exists.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
so are you saying that energy has conscience !?
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I ask again, which is the more fundamental?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
what is more fundamental? Cosmic plasma and plasmas and they have electric currents and magnetism. and both are more fundamental to existence than anything, and more! are you, or anybody else for that matter willing to investigate. so far there are very few who are willing to investigte, so how much longer shall it be ignored. i mean really, how much longer!?
and deeper than that, i tend to agree with both cosmicsurffer, it all started with friction, which leads to heat as GD has suggested. both being very fundamental.
the question is, why electric currents,magnetism is a result of friction, heat i can understand but electric currents and magnetism? hmmm....?
is somehow, electric currents and magnetism a twist or a function of friction,which are perhaps hidden in heat, sort of that blurry window of both being from the same thing? hardest thing i've had to picture, both at the same time,from the same source,
the essence of friction.
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<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rousejohnny</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
The two most basic fundamental concepts are
1) Existence (the nature of existences)
2) Change (how their condition is altered)
All measurement boils down to these two considerations
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
What is the nature of Existence and WHY does it change?
Energy.......
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Before something can change or be changed it must first exist.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
true
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Change is a function of existence - i.e. you cannot have change without existence.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
true
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The function of energy is to 'change' the state of being of that which exists.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
so are you saying that energy has conscience !?
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I ask again, which is the more fundamental?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
what is more fundamental? Cosmic plasma and plasmas and they have electric currents and magnetism. and both are more fundamental to existence than anything, and more! are you, or anybody else for that matter willing to investigate. so far there are very few who are willing to investigte, so how much longer shall it be ignored. i mean really, how much longer!?
and deeper than that, i tend to agree with both cosmicsurffer, it all started with friction, which leads to heat as GD has suggested. both being very fundamental.
the question is, why electric currents,magnetism is a result of friction, heat i can understand but electric currents and magnetism? hmmm....?
is somehow, electric currents and magnetism a twist or a function of friction,which are perhaps hidden in heat, sort of that blurry window of both being from the same thing? hardest thing i've had to picture, both at the same time,from the same source,
the essence of friction.
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19 years 9 months ago #12050
by Skarp
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">so are you saying that energy has conscience !?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
From my neck of the woods this would be true. All units of energy are conscious of themselves, and aware of all other entities that cross their path. The definition of Existence is a non-physical one, carrying with it geometric embodiment by conceptual means.
From my neck of the woods this would be true. All units of energy are conscious of themselves, and aware of all other entities that cross their path. The definition of Existence is a non-physical one, carrying with it geometric embodiment by conceptual means.
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