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Red Shift
21 years 10 months ago #4263
by Jim
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Do you know what the redshift of this object is? It is not given in the link you posted.
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21 years 10 months ago #3843
by glittle
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I know nothing beyond what I read in that article, but they do provide links to some other sites that may have more information. Or you could try to contact the author of the article and get info about the source material they had...
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21 years 10 months ago #3844
by glittle
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There is more of interest... In following some links, I found:
www.eso.org/outreach/info-events/ut1fl/news.html
and
www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2002/pr-23-02.html
www.eso.org/outreach/info-events/ut1fl/news.html
and
www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2002/pr-23-02.html
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21 years 10 months ago #4303
by Jim
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The article says the distance is at a point when the universe was 2 billion years old. I guess that is at a redshift of z=5 or so. Isn't there quasars redshifted more than z=5.5 seen? I wonder if quasers exist beyond galaxies? This is very interesting stuff thanks for posting the links.
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21 years 9 months ago #4712
by Mac
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Purely as an academic exercise, we calculate the transverse velocities required for the three quasars PHL 1033, LB 8956 and LB 8991 on the cosmological red shift hypothesis. We take the smallest value of proper motion within the uncertainty range and assume the Hubble Constant to be 50 km/s/Mpc and q0=0. Then we find that in terms of the velocity of light c, Vt = 760c, 5200c and 2300c for PHL 1033, LB 8956 and LB 8991 respectively. Needless to say these values are without physical significance and clearly indicate that the cosmological red shift hypothesis is completely untenable (Varshni, 1974, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1976 and 1977).
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They see observations of horizontal motion far in excess of v = c yet they want to scrap red shift instead of conclude Relativity is bunk.
What is MM position on this?
Mac
Replied by Mac on topic Reply from Dan McCoin
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Purely as an academic exercise, we calculate the transverse velocities required for the three quasars PHL 1033, LB 8956 and LB 8991 on the cosmological red shift hypothesis. We take the smallest value of proper motion within the uncertainty range and assume the Hubble Constant to be 50 km/s/Mpc and q0=0. Then we find that in terms of the velocity of light c, Vt = 760c, 5200c and 2300c for PHL 1033, LB 8956 and LB 8991 respectively. Needless to say these values are without physical significance and clearly indicate that the cosmological red shift hypothesis is completely untenable (Varshni, 1974, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1976 and 1977).
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They see observations of horizontal motion far in excess of v = c yet they want to scrap red shift instead of conclude Relativity is bunk.
What is MM position on this?
Mac
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21 years 9 months ago #4640
by rush
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Purely as an academic exercise, we calculate the transverse velocities required for the three quasars PHL 1033, LB 8956 and LB 8991 <b>on the cosmological red shift hypothesis</b>. We take the smallest value of proper motion within the uncertainty range and assume the Hubble Constant to be 50 km/s/Mpc and q0=0. Then we find that in terms of the velocity of light c, Vt = 760c, 5200c and 2300c for PHL 1033, LB 8956 and LB 8991 respectively. Needless to say these values are without physical significance and <b>clearly indicate that the cosmological red shift hypothesis is completely untenable</b> (Varshni, 1974, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1976 and 1977).
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They see observations of horizontal motion far in excess of v = c yet they want to scrap red shift instead of conclude Relativity is bunk.
What is MM position on this?
Mac
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I did not understand the test... seems that they used an assumption (cosm. redshift), found what they call that "has no physical meaning", and concluded that that assumption was correct?? I'm lost.
Extract from data on Quasars
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Purely as an academic exercise, we calculate the transverse velocities required for the three quasars PHL 1033, LB 8956 and LB 8991 <b>on the cosmological red shift hypothesis</b>. We take the smallest value of proper motion within the uncertainty range and assume the Hubble Constant to be 50 km/s/Mpc and q0=0. Then we find that in terms of the velocity of light c, Vt = 760c, 5200c and 2300c for PHL 1033, LB 8956 and LB 8991 respectively. Needless to say these values are without physical significance and <b>clearly indicate that the cosmological red shift hypothesis is completely untenable</b> (Varshni, 1974, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1976 and 1977).
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They see observations of horizontal motion far in excess of v = c yet they want to scrap red shift instead of conclude Relativity is bunk.
What is MM position on this?
Mac
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I did not understand the test... seems that they used an assumption (cosm. redshift), found what they call that "has no physical meaning", and concluded that that assumption was correct?? I'm lost.
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