Sedna

Can you say what is meant by the title "the original solar system"? I am puzzled by what was there before the original one was and how the original one into the one we see now. Why did it change so many times and how long did the tranformations last? If as you say the sun has only been "burning hydrogen" for 6by or so how can all these changes be fitted into that time frame?

Here are some quotes from a recent Sky & Telescope story that I thought were especially relevent to Meta Research:

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">"Sedna's location is a puzzle to solar-system dynamicists. It's too far away to belong to the Kuiper Belt, the collection of icy bodies situated from the orbit of Neptune out to about 50 a.u. Yet even when farthest from the Sun, Sedna is only a tenth as distant as the presumed inner edge of the Oort Cloud, a vast, long-hypothesized sphere of several trillion cometary bodies that may extend halfway to the nearest star (more than 100,000 a.u.). "It's in no-man's land," Brown says. "We had no expectation of finding anything out there."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Of course, Sedna is not nearly as puzzling when one considers the Exploded Planet Hypothesis and the Fission Origin Hypothesis. In fact, those hypotheses predict objects just like Sedna.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">To get a stellar encounter so close and so early, our Sun must have formed within a dense cluster of stars — an idea that has lacked solid evidence until now. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

The idea that the Sun originated in a star cluster was suggested in "Dark Matter,..." by Tom Van Flandern years ago.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">And Sedna may even have a companion. The observations in hand hint that this cold little world takes 40 days to rotate. Brown says a natural spin rate that long would be unlikely — more plausibly, the rotation has become tidally locked with an orbiting satellite. Hubble images should soon resolve whether such a companion exists. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

One wonders by what mechanism this satellite got there. The Exploded Planet Hypothesis offers just such a mechanism.

Hello

I thought of the data banks for the pharmaceutic industries with many terrabytes of information that machines are producing and its nearly exploding. People try to write software for it. But maybe they lose that battle.

I think when cosmologists are assembling all measurements. Hypotheses aren't important then and then to look with proper software for conclusions. Wouldn't that be a possible way to answer some questions?

What do you think?

Ed van der Meulen

Cosmology has gravity as its rock. A production line of ideas has no rock to cling on.

Sedna - A Speculation

Some interesting properties about Sedna have been reported:

1) It is about 800 to 1,100 miles in diameter.
2) Its current distance is about 8 - 9 billion miles.
3) It is not in the plane of the solar system.
4) Its orbit is quite similar to the orbit of "Nibiru", as reported by Secharia Sitchin.
4) Its color is a definite, dark red.
5) If you were standing on Sedna, the appearance of the Sun would be that of the head of a pin held 3 feet away from your eye. Almost the same as any other star.
6) It "shines".

The impression is that more light comes from Sedna than would be expected. There is the hint that it might be emitting light rather than just reflecting light. But red light?

The following is proposed: Sedna consists of collapsed matter. By this, I mean that it is "solid" nucleus. Protons, neutrons are not crushed, but are simply all together. As a rough approximation, its mass would be 10,000 times the mass of normal matter. If so, Sedna would have an extremely intense (high gradient) gravitational field. Gravitons coming into Sedna would leave some of their kinetic energy with Sedna, i.e. they would leave with less velocity. This transfer of kinetic energy would be to the elysium "within" Sedna. In order to have a steady state for energy, the energy would leave Sedna as light. Because the gravitational field is extreme, the light leaving the surface of Sedna would be strongly lowered in frequency as it climbed through the local gravitational field of Sedna. That is, ultraviolet light could end up as dark red light when it is finally "free" of Sedna.

If Sedna consists of "solid" nuclear material, then only a portion of its mass would create the intense gravitational field. That is, gravitons would penetrate only to a certain depth within Sedna. Inside that depth, all mass would behave as only inertial mass. Suppose only 1% of Sedna creates the gravity and 99% of Sedna is "hidden".

Let's go back to Zecharia Sitchin, Nibiru and the Great Flood. When reading material by Sitchin, one must divide it into two categories. There is the direct translation of ancient tablets (by Sitchin) which tells what happened. Then there are conclusions by Sitchin about the "why" and the "how come" of what happened. One can have the situation of Sitchin correctly translating material but incorrectly judging such materal.

In simplest terms, Sitchin translates that the "gods" on Earth became aware that Nibiru was going to come close to Earth on its next passage and this would cause a great gravitational upheaval on Earth. They boarded their spaceships and left Earth until the disaster was over. Nibiru came by and the Great Flood occurred and almost all of humanity was wiped out. This is mythology, we don't know if it was true or not.

Let's go back to Sedna. In the search for an object like Sedna, only a very small fraction of the celestial sphere was examined. As astronomers are saying, it is probable that there are dozens of Sednas. Because their origin is from EPH, they can all have "unusual" orbits. If one of them came into the inner solar system and passed within X million miles of Earth, it could easily cause immense tidal waves on Earth - equating to the Great Flood.

Sitchins version of mythology is that Nibiru follows a highly elliptical orbit, lasting 3,600 years, which periodically brings it into the inner solar system. What we could have instead, is that any one of many Sednas could make such a passage every once in a great while.

However, could such an object retain the geometry of its orbit even though it enters the inner solar system? According to Dr. Van Flandern, a planet could not retain such a stable orbit but would have the orbit strongly altered by the other planets. The resulting orbit would be very different and could even send the planet out of the solar system forever. But, if the planet were collapsed matter, and had 10,000 times the mass we would attribute to it, could its inertial mass enable its highly elliptical orbit to remain, more or less, the same?

The Sitchin translated mythology indicates that the passage of Nibiru through the inner solar system does change on each passage but that Nibiru does come back.

Gregg Wilson

Gregg, Where did the information of the several properties of Sedna come from? Do you have a link to the source of this data?