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16 years 4 months ago #20384
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />You say meteors exist but not where they came from.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Meteors come from exploded planets. Planets fission from stars. Stars are formed from interstellar gasses compressed by supernova blast waves. -|Tom|-
<br />You say meteors exist but not where they came from.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Meteors come from exploded planets. Planets fission from stars. Stars are formed from interstellar gasses compressed by supernova blast waves. -|Tom|-
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16 years 4 months ago #20140
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Tom, How can a SN event be related to star formation? The star has to be in existance in order to become a SN so there must be stars before SN events. And there are so many more stars than SN events-how many stars can be made by one SN event?(assuming stars are made that way) Or are some stars made by another process?
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16 years 4 months ago #20224
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />How can a SN event be related to star formation? The star has to be in existance in order to become a SN so there must be stars before SN events. And there are so many more stars than SN events-how many stars can be made by one SN event?(assuming stars are made that way) Or are some stars made by another process?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The first stars are made by the extremely slow collapse of large clouds of interstellar gas under the action of self-gravitation.
Once any of the original stars explodes, the blast wave flattens the interstellar clouds, which accelerates the star-forming process and allows each cloud to form thousands to millions of stars -- one or more everywhere there is a density concentration in the flattened cloud. -|Tom|-
<br />How can a SN event be related to star formation? The star has to be in existance in order to become a SN so there must be stars before SN events. And there are so many more stars than SN events-how many stars can be made by one SN event?(assuming stars are made that way) Or are some stars made by another process?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The first stars are made by the extremely slow collapse of large clouds of interstellar gas under the action of self-gravitation.
Once any of the original stars explodes, the blast wave flattens the interstellar clouds, which accelerates the star-forming process and allows each cloud to form thousands to millions of stars -- one or more everywhere there is a density concentration in the flattened cloud. -|Tom|-
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16 years 4 months ago #20939
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G'day from the land of ozzzzz
tvanflandern said:
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The only reason the light elements are not abundant in meteorites is that they do not have sufficient gravity to hold them. The lighter the element, the faster is its average molecular speed. And those speeds for most light elements are in excess of escape velocity from small bodies. Only the gas giant planets have enough gravity to retain hydrogen, the lightest element. And as expected, those planets do contain abundant hydrogen.
So while Manuel may be right that the role of heavy elements in the Sun has been underestimated, it does not seem reasonable to me to suggest that the light elements have such a minor role -- especially if meteorites are used to suggest a standard of comparison.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You hit the nail on the head, I agree with you.
But!
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The first stars are made by the extremely slow collapse of large clouds of interstellar gas under the action of self-gravitation.
Once any of the original stars explodes, the blast wave flattens the interstellar clouds, which accelerates the star-forming process and allows each cloud to form thousands to millions of stars -- one or more everywhere there is a density concentration in the flattened cloud. -|Tom|-<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
In my opinion
Yes, this process may aid in the rejivination of of stars, but! I cannot see it forming a gravity sink to begin with.
We know that from large compact matter such as the so called black holes eject seeds of compact matter that reforms the galaxy and seeds (gravity sinks) new stars.
More research is required in this area.
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tvanflandern said:
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The only reason the light elements are not abundant in meteorites is that they do not have sufficient gravity to hold them. The lighter the element, the faster is its average molecular speed. And those speeds for most light elements are in excess of escape velocity from small bodies. Only the gas giant planets have enough gravity to retain hydrogen, the lightest element. And as expected, those planets do contain abundant hydrogen.
So while Manuel may be right that the role of heavy elements in the Sun has been underestimated, it does not seem reasonable to me to suggest that the light elements have such a minor role -- especially if meteorites are used to suggest a standard of comparison.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You hit the nail on the head, I agree with you.
But!
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The first stars are made by the extremely slow collapse of large clouds of interstellar gas under the action of self-gravitation.
Once any of the original stars explodes, the blast wave flattens the interstellar clouds, which accelerates the star-forming process and allows each cloud to form thousands to millions of stars -- one or more everywhere there is a density concentration in the flattened cloud. -|Tom|-<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
In my opinion
Yes, this process may aid in the rejivination of of stars, but! I cannot see it forming a gravity sink to begin with.
We know that from large compact matter such as the so called black holes eject seeds of compact matter that reforms the galaxy and seeds (gravity sinks) new stars.
More research is required in this area.
Smile and live another day
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16 years 4 months ago #20940
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Then too is the time frame-if there are original stars that formed by a process very different than how stars form now how can the universe be ageless? Don't the two ideas conflict with each other? This look like an idea that has been poluted by BB theory.
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16 years 4 months ago #20225
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />Then too is the time frame-if there are original stars that formed by a process very different than how stars form now how can the universe be ageless? Don't the two ideas conflict with each other? This look like an idea that has been poluted by BB theory.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Both processes are always at work. Think of the self-gravitating clouds as the spark that sets off an explosion of starbirths. That continues until most of the gas has been blown out of a galaxy. Then the remaining stars die and no new ones form until the whole galaxy is dead.
But new galaxies can form from intergalactic clouds of gas and dust, so no matter ever goes to "waste" but is part of new generations of stars and galaxies. -|Tom|-
<br />Then too is the time frame-if there are original stars that formed by a process very different than how stars form now how can the universe be ageless? Don't the two ideas conflict with each other? This look like an idea that has been poluted by BB theory.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Both processes are always at work. Think of the self-gravitating clouds as the spark that sets off an explosion of starbirths. That continues until most of the gas has been blown out of a galaxy. Then the remaining stars die and no new ones form until the whole galaxy is dead.
But new galaxies can form from intergalactic clouds of gas and dust, so no matter ever goes to "waste" but is part of new generations of stars and galaxies. -|Tom|-
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