Quasars how do we explain the huge distances

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<br />Does the red shift of say 5.8 give a true indication of the quasars real distance?, or does the accelerating expansion of the universe play tricks with the actual distance?.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Welcome, Alan!

The mainstream treats redshift as a reliable indicator of distance. Meta Science and many individual astronomers are convinced by an overwhelming volume of evidence that quasar redshifts are not reliable distance indicators, and that many high-redshift quasars were ejected from relatively nearby galaxies.

One place to see a bit of this evidence is the article on the parent web site of this Message Board, "Quasars: Near vs. Far". See
metaresearch.org/cosmology/QuasarsNearVersusFar.asp

Much additional evidence for the same conclusion has accumulated over the last 16 years since that article was written. Some of that new evidence will be discussed at this summer's "Crisis in Cosmology 2" conference in Port Angeles WA from Sept. 7-11. See www.cosmology.info/2008conference/ for more information. See especially the "Papers" link, then the link to the Panel about quasars. -|Tom|-

tvan,

Thank you for the welcome. I agree it the quasars are really at the unimginable distances approaching 15 billion light years they can no longer exist or have vanished as dying black holes. The universe must be much older if one is to believe this.

When we see a quasar at the assumed 14+light year distance we must be observing light from the quasar when it was very young. It might have only existed for a few billion years and died out and we might have just been fortunate in receiving its light before its demise
Gosh! I hope I am making some sense

I feel as if I am a small boy holding but a teaspoon of knowledge standing before the Infinity Ocean of all knowledge

<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Alan McDougall</i>
<br />...Does the red shift of say 5.8 give a true indication of the quasars real distance...
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(What follows is a synopsis of a few posts I've made about this on another thread of the messageboard.)

Tifft discovered that distant galaxies' redshifts display periodicity. That is, the redshifts tend to be multiples of certain numbers, or "periods", that Tifft discovered. Tifft and Leto interpreted this tendency not as periodicity of position (which could cause redshift periodicity via Hubble's redshift law, but would require that we occupy a "special position" in the universe), but as a new property of mass-energy and/or space-time, which causes "intrinsic redshift" that is periodic in Tifft's periods.

Citing various catalogs, I reported on this messageboard, my discovery of Tifft's redshift periodicity not only within the Local Group, but also within the Milky Way itself, and even, indirectly, within our own solar system. This implies that Tifft's periodicity cannot be due to periodicity of position. It also implies that not only intergalactic but also interstellar Doppler effects, due to motion of the distant galaxy or star, must really be very small; otherwise they would swamp the Tifft periodicity.

Tifft and Leto published empirical equations prescribing their observed periods and other, theoretical, periods. Recognizing the similarity of Leto's equations, to ideal gas laws, I extended Leto's equations to find many more theoretical periods. I found that with statistical significance, the observed redshifts of quasars cluster at the redshifts predicted by this enhancement of Tifft's theory.

I'd invite anyone to recheck my tabulation or my computation. I'll help you if you like.

Hi Joe,

If I understand you correctly there might be an intinsic redshift value to a remote source, that differs from the usual redshift equasion.

Regards

Alan

I feel as if I am a small boy holding but a teaspoon of knowledge standing before the Infinity Ocean of all knowledge