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How is Man Shaping Earth Changes?
22 years 1 month ago #3295
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You left out a few items that should be included in your list like crazy bastards flying airplanes into buildings and those who exploit real issues like these for their own reasons.
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22 years 1 month ago #3241
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>Sigh...Is there going to be anywhere left to be safe from this madness?
Maybe life isn't for everyone.
Gregg Wilson
Maybe life isn't for everyone.
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22 years 1 month ago #3057
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I don't know how old you are Xter but I'm 45 and I have been hearing these stories of mankind's imminent destruction as long as I've been alive and it's always just around the corner. We made it past 2000 and I haven't heard the fundamentalists admit they were flat out wrong about the Apocalypse. You refer to genetic engineering as "madness", would you refer to it as that if it saved you from Alzheimer's disease? HAARP's effects are total speculation. There is always something bad going on, I was more worried about things as a teenager than I am now.
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22 years 1 month ago #3179
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There is always hope even in this stuff after all the products that are the cause of these problems are all made here on Earth and are from natural resources so don't get too bent out on shape. The solutions are out there for all the problems real or not.
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21 years 6 months ago #5506
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Is there a relationship between the dramatic increase in at-the-pump refueling fires, electrical pole fires and the increased conductivity of the atmosphere?
According to spark length tests conducted by Clifford Carnicom the expected conductivity of the atmosphere should result in a spark of approx. 2.6" in length. A spark of much greater length (10-12") is now being produced by atmospheric spark-length tests indicating that our atmosphere has lost a good deal of it's insulating quality:
"ATMOSPHERIC
CONDUCTIVITY
Clifford E Carnicom
Jul 09 2001
Research is indicating that the conductivity of the atmosphere has been increased. This finding is in conjunction with the extensive aerosol operations that have been documented in detail for the last 2 1/2 years, and with the most recent findings that support the claims for the existence of saturated levels of metallic particulates within the atmosphere.
A Van de Graaf generator has been used to create a spark in the open atmosphere at repeated intervals. The length of the spark that the generator can produce is generally predictable, and it is highly dependent upon the size of the sphere of the generator as well as the dielectric strength of the medium (e.g., air) that the spark traverses.
In the cases that are under examination, the generator being used is rated at 200,000 volts. This agrees reasonably well with the theoretical value of the potential for the generator, which has an oblate spheroid of 18 cm. diameter.
The dielectric strength is a measure of the insulating capability of a medium, and is represented by a constant known as the dielectric strength of the material. The dielectric strength of air is stated from numerous sources to be approximately 3 million volts per meter.
This leads to an expected spark length from the generator being used of:
200,000 V / (3E6 volts / meter) = .067 meters = 2.6 inches.
Outdoor measurements with a clean sphere are producing spark lengths much greater than that which is expected, on the order of 10 -12 inches (.254meters).
This indicates that the breakdown voltage of the atmosphere (dielectric strength) of the atmosphere under testing has been reduced to approximately:
200,000 V / .254 meters = 787,400 volts / meter.
This indicates a reduction in the dielectric strength of the atmosphere under testing by a factor of 3.8. If the manufacturer claims of maximum spark lengths of 5" is used, there remains a reduction factor of 2 in the dielectric strength of the atmosphere that is to be accounted for. This finding leads to the conclusion that the atmosphere is not acting as efficiently as an insulator, or conversely, the atmosphere is more electrically conductive than is expected.
One observable and expected consequence of a reduction in the dielectric strength of the atmosphere would be an increase in lightning frequency and intensity.
These findings are preliminary. Any corrections to this presentation are appreciated, and any revisions will be made as is appropriate.
Clifford E Carnicom
Jul 09 2001
Note : July 16 2001
These tests were repeated on the night of Jul 16 2001 with the same results. Maximum spark length reached during this test ranged between 10 and 12 inches. Theoretical considerations continue to support and confirm an expected maximum spark length of approximately 3 inches. The results of this test continue to indicate that conductivity characteristics of the atmosphere have been altered."
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I recently found reports that show the incidence of refueling fires has increased dramatically. Whereas there were approx. one or two of these incidents reported per year in the early 1990's there are now 25 to 30 of these incidents reported per year. The most dramatic increase in refueling fire reports occured in 1999, which coincides to the approximate time when the chemtrails dumping of metal particulates kicked into high gear. Additionally there has been a huge increase in electrical pole fires and transformer blow outs.
www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
A Report From PEI:
"
FIRES AT REFUELING SITES THAT APPEAR TO BE STATIC RELATED
March 27, 2003
Compiled and written by: Robert N. Renkes
Executive Vice President & General Counsel
Petroleum Equipment Institute
P.O. Box 2380
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74101-2380
(918) 494-9696 (phone)
(918) 491-9895 (fax)
rrenkes@pei.org
* Reports by Year
* Reports by Month
* Reports by State
* Report of Injuries
* Damage to Vehicle
* Damage to Station
* Incidents reported to PEI
* Incidents reported via NHTSA Questionnaire
Reports by Year
Year
Total
NHTSA Only
1992
1
1993
1
1
1994
3
3
1995
8
7
1996
7
4
1997
9
5
1998
9
3
1999
32
6
2000
22
1
2001
11
2002
31
2003
4
Unknown
7
4
Total
146
34
__________________________"
Th
My speculation is that the increased gas pump fires and pole fires are a direct result of the insulating properties of our atmosphere having been greatly reduced because of the massive and continuing dumping of metal particulates into the atmosphere via the chemtrails programs. And also from the loading of the atmosphere with excessive amounts of em energy from the Haarp installation.
It also occurs to me that this dramatic change in atmospheric conductivity may have been a contributing factor to the Columbia disaster as a purple streak of light was photographed striking the Columbia just prior to it's break-up and during the re-entry process into Earth's atmosphere. Is it possible that an energy charge of suffiecient strength could have been generated to bring down the Columbia? That the Columbia acted as a lightening rod attracting a massive release of electrical energy build-up resulting from a an atmosphere that is both overcharged with electrical energy and at the same time having qualitites of reduced insulation and greatly inhanced conductivity?
According to spark length tests conducted by Clifford Carnicom the expected conductivity of the atmosphere should result in a spark of approx. 2.6" in length. A spark of much greater length (10-12") is now being produced by atmospheric spark-length tests indicating that our atmosphere has lost a good deal of it's insulating quality:
"ATMOSPHERIC
CONDUCTIVITY
Clifford E Carnicom
Jul 09 2001
Research is indicating that the conductivity of the atmosphere has been increased. This finding is in conjunction with the extensive aerosol operations that have been documented in detail for the last 2 1/2 years, and with the most recent findings that support the claims for the existence of saturated levels of metallic particulates within the atmosphere.
A Van de Graaf generator has been used to create a spark in the open atmosphere at repeated intervals. The length of the spark that the generator can produce is generally predictable, and it is highly dependent upon the size of the sphere of the generator as well as the dielectric strength of the medium (e.g., air) that the spark traverses.
In the cases that are under examination, the generator being used is rated at 200,000 volts. This agrees reasonably well with the theoretical value of the potential for the generator, which has an oblate spheroid of 18 cm. diameter.
The dielectric strength is a measure of the insulating capability of a medium, and is represented by a constant known as the dielectric strength of the material. The dielectric strength of air is stated from numerous sources to be approximately 3 million volts per meter.
This leads to an expected spark length from the generator being used of:
200,000 V / (3E6 volts / meter) = .067 meters = 2.6 inches.
Outdoor measurements with a clean sphere are producing spark lengths much greater than that which is expected, on the order of 10 -12 inches (.254meters).
This indicates that the breakdown voltage of the atmosphere (dielectric strength) of the atmosphere under testing has been reduced to approximately:
200,000 V / .254 meters = 787,400 volts / meter.
This indicates a reduction in the dielectric strength of the atmosphere under testing by a factor of 3.8. If the manufacturer claims of maximum spark lengths of 5" is used, there remains a reduction factor of 2 in the dielectric strength of the atmosphere that is to be accounted for. This finding leads to the conclusion that the atmosphere is not acting as efficiently as an insulator, or conversely, the atmosphere is more electrically conductive than is expected.
One observable and expected consequence of a reduction in the dielectric strength of the atmosphere would be an increase in lightning frequency and intensity.
These findings are preliminary. Any corrections to this presentation are appreciated, and any revisions will be made as is appropriate.
Clifford E Carnicom
Jul 09 2001
Note : July 16 2001
These tests were repeated on the night of Jul 16 2001 with the same results. Maximum spark length reached during this test ranged between 10 and 12 inches. Theoretical considerations continue to support and confirm an expected maximum spark length of approximately 3 inches. The results of this test continue to indicate that conductivity characteristics of the atmosphere have been altered."
Back to Aerosol Operations Main Page
________________________________________
I recently found reports that show the incidence of refueling fires has increased dramatically. Whereas there were approx. one or two of these incidents reported per year in the early 1990's there are now 25 to 30 of these incidents reported per year. The most dramatic increase in refueling fire reports occured in 1999, which coincides to the approximate time when the chemtrails dumping of metal particulates kicked into high gear. Additionally there has been a huge increase in electrical pole fires and transformer blow outs.
www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
A Report From PEI:
"
FIRES AT REFUELING SITES THAT APPEAR TO BE STATIC RELATED
March 27, 2003
Compiled and written by: Robert N. Renkes
Executive Vice President & General Counsel
Petroleum Equipment Institute
P.O. Box 2380
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74101-2380
(918) 494-9696 (phone)
(918) 491-9895 (fax)
rrenkes@pei.org
* Reports by Year
* Reports by Month
* Reports by State
* Report of Injuries
* Damage to Vehicle
* Damage to Station
* Incidents reported to PEI
* Incidents reported via NHTSA Questionnaire
Reports by Year
Year
Total
NHTSA Only
1992
1
1993
1
1
1994
3
3
1995
8
7
1996
7
4
1997
9
5
1998
9
3
1999
32
6
2000
22
1
2001
11
2002
31
2003
4
Unknown
7
4
Total
146
34
__________________________"
Th
My speculation is that the increased gas pump fires and pole fires are a direct result of the insulating properties of our atmosphere having been greatly reduced because of the massive and continuing dumping of metal particulates into the atmosphere via the chemtrails programs. And also from the loading of the atmosphere with excessive amounts of em energy from the Haarp installation.
It also occurs to me that this dramatic change in atmospheric conductivity may have been a contributing factor to the Columbia disaster as a purple streak of light was photographed striking the Columbia just prior to it's break-up and during the re-entry process into Earth's atmosphere. Is it possible that an energy charge of suffiecient strength could have been generated to bring down the Columbia? That the Columbia acted as a lightening rod attracting a massive release of electrical energy build-up resulting from a an atmosphere that is both overcharged with electrical energy and at the same time having qualitites of reduced insulation and greatly inhanced conductivity?
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21 years 6 months ago #5649
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Jeremy posted:
"I don't know how old you are Xter but I'm 45 and I have been hearing these stories of mankind's imminent destruction as long as I've been alive and it's always just around the corner. We made it past 2000 and I haven't heard the fundamentalists admit they were flat out wrong about the Apocalypse. You refer to genetic engineering as "madness", would you refer to it as that if it saved you from Alzheimer's disease? HAARP's effects are total speculation. There is always something bad going on, I was more worried about things as a teenager than I am now."
I am not sure my age is relevant to my concerns about humankinds unprecedented and drastic effects on basic qualities of the Earth's environment. But if it matters I am a good deal older than you are Jeremy, almost a decade. Unlike you I am more concerned now with what I see going on than I ever have been. The technology has been achieved to toy around with basic Earth systems and disease agents in a way that has never been done before. Disease agents potent enough to be a serious threat to civilized existence on this planet have been created in labs and most tragically either deliberately or accidently some of these weaponized disease agents are already loose the world population.
I get the impression of slightly mad scientists and military types with a less than complete understanding of what the eventual outcomes of their tinkering around might result in. Delicate and intricately balanced Earth systems that have evolved over millinea are being disturbed in profound ways and I don't believe the perpetuators are fully cogniscient of what the ramifications might be.
When I referred to genetic engineering as madness I was thinking specifically of the release of genetically engineered crops into the environment with apparently little thought given to what might be impacted. I think it is possible that plants that have been genetically engineered to not reproduce seed could spread that quality to other plants with serious consequences. There have already been unexpected negative effects from engineering of plant genetics as happened with the Monarch butterflies and engineered corn.
The potential benefits of decoding the human genome are vast and may eventually radically change what it means to be a human being. I do not think genetic engineering will stop at just providing remedies for medical problems but will eventually be used, for better or worse, to gentically engineer super-humans, possibly different types of humans with bodies tailor-made to survive on other planets with radically different environments than Earth. Possibly even the creation of sub-human slaves completely in the control of others.
Or in the creation of alien / human hybrids. There are already rumors of this type of work being conducted secretly at various underground bases (Dulce for one).
Suppose there are those who have decided for the rest of us what the course of human evolution should be, deciding which human traits should be allowed to continue and which should be deleted.
There are many profound issues associated with the achievement of decoding the human genome that need to be reflected upon.
"I don't know how old you are Xter but I'm 45 and I have been hearing these stories of mankind's imminent destruction as long as I've been alive and it's always just around the corner. We made it past 2000 and I haven't heard the fundamentalists admit they were flat out wrong about the Apocalypse. You refer to genetic engineering as "madness", would you refer to it as that if it saved you from Alzheimer's disease? HAARP's effects are total speculation. There is always something bad going on, I was more worried about things as a teenager than I am now."
I am not sure my age is relevant to my concerns about humankinds unprecedented and drastic effects on basic qualities of the Earth's environment. But if it matters I am a good deal older than you are Jeremy, almost a decade. Unlike you I am more concerned now with what I see going on than I ever have been. The technology has been achieved to toy around with basic Earth systems and disease agents in a way that has never been done before. Disease agents potent enough to be a serious threat to civilized existence on this planet have been created in labs and most tragically either deliberately or accidently some of these weaponized disease agents are already loose the world population.
I get the impression of slightly mad scientists and military types with a less than complete understanding of what the eventual outcomes of their tinkering around might result in. Delicate and intricately balanced Earth systems that have evolved over millinea are being disturbed in profound ways and I don't believe the perpetuators are fully cogniscient of what the ramifications might be.
When I referred to genetic engineering as madness I was thinking specifically of the release of genetically engineered crops into the environment with apparently little thought given to what might be impacted. I think it is possible that plants that have been genetically engineered to not reproduce seed could spread that quality to other plants with serious consequences. There have already been unexpected negative effects from engineering of plant genetics as happened with the Monarch butterflies and engineered corn.
The potential benefits of decoding the human genome are vast and may eventually radically change what it means to be a human being. I do not think genetic engineering will stop at just providing remedies for medical problems but will eventually be used, for better or worse, to gentically engineer super-humans, possibly different types of humans with bodies tailor-made to survive on other planets with radically different environments than Earth. Possibly even the creation of sub-human slaves completely in the control of others.
Or in the creation of alien / human hybrids. There are already rumors of this type of work being conducted secretly at various underground bases (Dulce for one).
Suppose there are those who have decided for the rest of us what the course of human evolution should be, deciding which human traits should be allowed to continue and which should be deleted.
There are many profound issues associated with the achievement of decoding the human genome that need to be reflected upon.
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