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16 years 9 months ago #19841
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Given artificiality on Mars, I think ZM's method of comparing cultural similarities is a credible method with lots of precedents in science.
Stoat's comment on Mount Pelee is interesting, but it concerns a natural process (I think) and so might be a good question for geologists.
I'm going to continue spotting faces and other artificial structures, though I haven't the time to devote to it that I once had.
The elaborate Pareidolia hypothesis is not going to be settled anytime soon, and as far as I know, no one is even asking the question, (besides me), let alone working on a solution.
So please take these images on that basis, and also with two prior understandings. 1- Some very competent science specialists, e.g., Carlotto, Levasseur, Orme, Flemming, Crater, Van Flandern, McDaniel, etc., have made serious inroads into demonstrating artificiality in a few structures on Mars. I don't put myself it that class. I'm offering these examples merely as something to consider. Given artificiality elsewhere, we are permitted to look for more.
The other understanding is that there absolutely must be some point where what we think we see and true pareidolia become one in the same thing. But finding that point, that is the problem.
Neil DeRosa
Here are some more possible artifacts in high resolution from MRO. They are all from PSP 006148 1820 hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006148_1820
Stoat's comment on Mount Pelee is interesting, but it concerns a natural process (I think) and so might be a good question for geologists.
I'm going to continue spotting faces and other artificial structures, though I haven't the time to devote to it that I once had.
The elaborate Pareidolia hypothesis is not going to be settled anytime soon, and as far as I know, no one is even asking the question, (besides me), let alone working on a solution.
So please take these images on that basis, and also with two prior understandings. 1- Some very competent science specialists, e.g., Carlotto, Levasseur, Orme, Flemming, Crater, Van Flandern, McDaniel, etc., have made serious inroads into demonstrating artificiality in a few structures on Mars. I don't put myself it that class. I'm offering these examples merely as something to consider. Given artificiality elsewhere, we are permitted to look for more.
The other understanding is that there absolutely must be some point where what we think we see and true pareidolia become one in the same thing. But finding that point, that is the problem.
Neil DeRosa
Here are some more possible artifacts in high resolution from MRO. They are all from PSP 006148 1820 hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_006148_1820
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Here are the highest resolution versions of PSP 006148 1820 Meridiani Planum Face 1 that I can produce without downloading 5,000 mb images; in grayscale and colorized. I'll refrain from further description, since that was done last post.
This face is located in the same region of Mars as another possible artificial object previously posted, also attached here, thus reinforcing the location prediction. [Neil]
This face is located in the same region of Mars as another possible artificial object previously posted, also attached here, thus reinforcing the location prediction. [Neil]
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16 years 9 months ago #3178
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When someone who is not familiar with the phenomenon of possible artificial structures on Mars first sees them, a feeling of incredulity usually overcomes the person. (This is judging from experience as I have shown my faces to groups from time to time.) Once the viewer is convinced that the images are not fakes, the first reaction (of course) is, they must be imaginary, subjective impressions in the mind that just appear to look like faces; or geological formations that happen to look like artificial structures.
If someone is close to being convinced that at least some of the objects are the real thing, (very few people are completely convinced), they try to shake it off. How can it possibly be that these faces are there, but (almost) no other signs of civilization? The solutions usually offered are all unsatisfactory. But I sometimes think about them because the whole thing sometimes seems fantastic to me also. But then I keep coming back to the few objects that are very convincing...
One possibility sometimes offered is that these artifacts are very old, on the order of 50 million years or more, but this still doesn't explain why we see mainly large faces facing skyward.
Another possibility, that they are remnants of an exploded planet's moon-scape art works, or tourist attractions. This is possible, but why are just faces left, with very few exceptions?
Another possibility is that they were made by extraterrestrials from distant solar systems. Perhaps they are/were stationed on Mars to observe Earth and they made these simple impressions from hovering space/air ships as if to "doodle" to wile away the empty years while they waited for news from home, and watched us. Whether the images are intended to look like us or them we don't know. They may have had a pragmatic purpose of being markers for water sources, mineral sources, or outposts. If they are meant to depict us, this would mean that the faces would be relatively new, and they don't look it.
I'm not yet ready to admit that we won't have the answer to the question of artificiality until manned exploration of Mars is well under way. First I'd like to see the following objects re-imaged in HiRISE/MRO high resolution images:
M0200343, Clown: 2006; 75.86°W, 6.04°S, ~670 m wide, 5.72 m/p, wall base West Candor Chasma www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0200343.html
M0305549, E0501429, Profile Image: disc., J.P. Levasseur, 2001; 108.12°W, 14.05°S, 5.65 m/p, ~800 m wide (face only), Claritas/Syria contact
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0305549.html
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/images/E05/E0501429.html
E0600269, Curiosity: 2006; 76.83°W, 5.24°S, ~340 m wide, 5.73 m/p floor of West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/images/E06/E0600269.html
M0300647, Saint: 2006; 76.31°W, 5.92°S, ~175 m wide, 5.71 m/p, West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0300647.html
M1402185, Parrot: disc., W. Faust, 2002; 55.30°W, 48.07°S, ~2 km wide, 2.77 m/p, West Argyre rim region.
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m13_m18/images/M14/M1402185.html
E0302550, E2100825, R0300585, Easter Island Man: disc., M. Pacasi, named by M. Luckman, 2002; 158.30°W, 42.70°S, ~217 m wide, 4.19 m/p, small crater in floor of Newton Crater.
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/images/E03/E0302550.html
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e19_r02/images/E21/E2100825.html
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_r09/images/R03/R0300585.html
R1601629, Aladdin and Jinn: 2006; 74.31°W, 5.18°S; face ~425 m wide; 4.54 m/p; floor of West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r16_r21/images/R16/R1601629.html
M0203051, Crownface: Disc., Greg Orme, 2001; 275.52°W, 2.66°N, ~500 m wide; 5.78 m/p, south oriented (SO). www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0203051.html
M0304877, Zorba: 2006; 72.02°W, 12.80°S, ~232 m wide, 5.65 m/p, Melas Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0304877.html
Face in Triangle: 2006; 74.14°W, 7.70°S, ~160 m wide, 5.70 m/p, West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_m12/images/M08/M0802833.html
M0202913, Wrecked Ship: 2006; 74.02°W, 6.11°S, ~337 m wide, 5.71 m/p, upper West Candor Chasma wall
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0202913.html
And there are a few others. I know my wishes are not the top priority items in NASAs schedule, but answers here would go a long way toward resolving this issue.
Neil DeRosa
If someone is close to being convinced that at least some of the objects are the real thing, (very few people are completely convinced), they try to shake it off. How can it possibly be that these faces are there, but (almost) no other signs of civilization? The solutions usually offered are all unsatisfactory. But I sometimes think about them because the whole thing sometimes seems fantastic to me also. But then I keep coming back to the few objects that are very convincing...
One possibility sometimes offered is that these artifacts are very old, on the order of 50 million years or more, but this still doesn't explain why we see mainly large faces facing skyward.
Another possibility, that they are remnants of an exploded planet's moon-scape art works, or tourist attractions. This is possible, but why are just faces left, with very few exceptions?
Another possibility is that they were made by extraterrestrials from distant solar systems. Perhaps they are/were stationed on Mars to observe Earth and they made these simple impressions from hovering space/air ships as if to "doodle" to wile away the empty years while they waited for news from home, and watched us. Whether the images are intended to look like us or them we don't know. They may have had a pragmatic purpose of being markers for water sources, mineral sources, or outposts. If they are meant to depict us, this would mean that the faces would be relatively new, and they don't look it.
I'm not yet ready to admit that we won't have the answer to the question of artificiality until manned exploration of Mars is well under way. First I'd like to see the following objects re-imaged in HiRISE/MRO high resolution images:
M0200343, Clown: 2006; 75.86°W, 6.04°S, ~670 m wide, 5.72 m/p, wall base West Candor Chasma www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0200343.html
M0305549, E0501429, Profile Image: disc., J.P. Levasseur, 2001; 108.12°W, 14.05°S, 5.65 m/p, ~800 m wide (face only), Claritas/Syria contact
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0305549.html
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/images/E05/E0501429.html
E0600269, Curiosity: 2006; 76.83°W, 5.24°S, ~340 m wide, 5.73 m/p floor of West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/images/E06/E0600269.html
M0300647, Saint: 2006; 76.31°W, 5.92°S, ~175 m wide, 5.71 m/p, West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0300647.html
M1402185, Parrot: disc., W. Faust, 2002; 55.30°W, 48.07°S, ~2 km wide, 2.77 m/p, West Argyre rim region.
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m13_m18/images/M14/M1402185.html
E0302550, E2100825, R0300585, Easter Island Man: disc., M. Pacasi, named by M. Luckman, 2002; 158.30°W, 42.70°S, ~217 m wide, 4.19 m/p, small crater in floor of Newton Crater.
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e01_e06/images/E03/E0302550.html
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e19_r02/images/E21/E2100825.html
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_r09/images/R03/R0300585.html
R1601629, Aladdin and Jinn: 2006; 74.31°W, 5.18°S; face ~425 m wide; 4.54 m/p; floor of West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r16_r21/images/R16/R1601629.html
M0203051, Crownface: Disc., Greg Orme, 2001; 275.52°W, 2.66°N, ~500 m wide; 5.78 m/p, south oriented (SO). www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0203051.html
M0304877, Zorba: 2006; 72.02°W, 12.80°S, ~232 m wide, 5.65 m/p, Melas Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0304877.html
Face in Triangle: 2006; 74.14°W, 7.70°S, ~160 m wide, 5.70 m/p, West Candor Chasma
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_m12/images/M08/M0802833.html
M0202913, Wrecked Ship: 2006; 74.02°W, 6.11°S, ~337 m wide, 5.71 m/p, upper West Candor Chasma wall
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/M0202913.html
And there are a few others. I know my wishes are not the top priority items in NASAs schedule, but answers here would go a long way toward resolving this issue.
Neil DeRosa
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16 years 9 months ago #19848
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Here's a study of faces previously seen with good bilateral symmetry, detailed eyes including top and bottom lids, lashes, irises, whites, oval shape eyes, symmetrical eyebrows, and forehead. At least two have a discernable mouth. All have good nose feature, head shape, good proportion and orientation of secondary features, good shading, and bust (shoulders and/or upper chest). All are frontal views and not profiles. All fulfill the location prediction in being at low terrain altitudes and on the dichotomy border. They range in size from 150-500 meters wide; and all are north oriented.
Meridiani Planum face
Aram Chaos face
2 faces from West Candor Chasma
Meridiani Planum face
Aram Chaos face
2 faces from West Candor Chasma
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16 years 9 months ago #20858
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Hi,
Here are some new posts on my web site:
www.ultor.org/spacemantwo.htm
www.ultor.org/inline/1.htm
Here are some new posts on my web site:
www.ultor.org/spacemantwo.htm
www.ultor.org/inline/1.htm
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16 years 9 months ago #20859
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Here's a face shown in the link posted by gorme. It shows interesting details suggesting secondary features. Unfortunately the resolution of the image is poor at around 6 m/p. The feature is around 300 meters wide.
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m13_m18/images/M16/M1600763.html
M1600763
Sorry, this is the one Greg posted. It was south oriented and I missed it first time around. This face is larger, around 1 km wide, and hence the details are better seen. Note that this is one of the very few faces we have with "ear" features.
M1600763 Space Man (disc. G. Orme)
www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m13_m18/images/M16/M1600763.html
M1600763
Sorry, this is the one Greg posted. It was south oriented and I missed it first time around. This face is larger, around 1 km wide, and hence the details are better seen. Note that this is one of the very few faces we have with "ear" features.
M1600763 Space Man (disc. G. Orme)
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