My pareidolia knows no bounds.

I know what you mean rd but the lack of interest in pareidolia is balanced by the totalitarian obsessive interest in war. It takes an idiot not to see.

Interesting connection here about Pareidolia (who knows or cares what version ask him) DMT and shamanism.

books.google.com/books?id=fXFeQb1z6bsC&p...q=pareidolia&f=false

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen that much of a discussion of pareidolia before. That was written in 2011, so perhaps there's hope.

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<ul>Intelligent Design?

OK, I'm skeptical, but open to the concept. My first comment is that ANY competent third year undergraduate engineer could run circles around whoever is responsible for the design of the human body.

I'm not a huge fan of Darwin or his original theories, but the base line concept of BLIND evolution looks to me to be the way things are.</ul>***
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Larry, here's a paper by Rhawn Joseph that you may find interesting. I haven't read the whole thing yet, but the abstract gives a pretty good picture of his theory of how life evolved:
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> "evolution" is under genetic regulatory control and is a form of metamorphosis (Evolutionary Metamorphosis), the replication of life forms which long ago evolved on other planets. R.Joseph, THE EVOLUTION OF LIFE FROM OTHER PLANETS<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Abstract:

What has been described as "evolution" is under genetic regulatory control and is a form of metamorphosis (Evolutionary Metamorphosis), the replication of life forms which long ago evolved on other planets. The genetic endowment of all living creatures can be traced to common ancestors, and these genes were obtained and inherited from creatures which lived on other worlds. These genes were transferred to Earth contained in the genomes of archae, bacteria, algae (cyanobacteria) and viruses. These first Earthlings (archae, bacteria, cyanobacteria, viruses) contained the genes and genetic information for altering the environment, the "evolution" of multicellular eukaryotes, and the metamorphosis of all subsequent species. This genetic inheritance included exons, introns, transposable elements, informational and operational genes, RNA, ribozomes, mitochondria, and the core genetic machinery for translating, expressing, and repeatedly duplicating genes and the entire genome. Once on Earth, prokaryotic genes were initially combined to fashion the first eukaryotes and/or were donated and transferred to unicellular eukaryotes and subsequently expressed in response to biologically engineered environmental influences and in reaction to viral genes, often in busts of explosive evolutionary change. Genes biologically alter the environment and secrete waste products, e.g. methane, oxygen, calcium carbonate, sulphate, ferrous iron, etc., which act on gene expression, generating bilateral bodies, eyes, and brains--features which were encoded into genes inherited from ancestors whose genetic ancestry leads to other worlds. This inherited extraterrestrial genetic machinery coordinates gene duplication and expression, speciation, and evolutionary innovation, thereby giving rise to a genetically regulated progression leading from simple to complex creatures including woman and man.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

cosmology.com/Cosmology2.html

Note how he's talking about " life forms which long ago evolved on other planets" as opposed to "intelligent design". I don't think he "goes there".

Also, if you look at his list of "Scientific Publications" here, brainmind.com/publications.html you can see why I gave him credit for being a heavyweight.

rd

Rich,

Perhaps what R Joseph is trying to say is that the evolution of life HERE has been pre-coded because it came-from/started elsewhere?

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Even so, it is going to follow its own independent path once the process of evolution begins here. If that importation event happened last week ...

But it did not. It happened billions of years ago. And resulted in dinosaurs. Which were cancelled by an accident, that led to us.

Unless he means it happens over and over and over. In which case maybe humans (or human DNA) were imported last week? (Geologically speaking.)

???
LB

Did I mention I'm writing an SF story in which something sort of like this is one of the themes?

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<br />Perhaps what R Joseph is trying to say is that the evolution of life HERE has been pre-coded because it came-from/started elsewhere?

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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, something to that effect. I think he refers to pre-coded "metamorphosis". Which, on second thought, does sound like "intelligent design."

rd

Now that I've been looking at a lot of 3D images, it occurred to me that there was a discussion at one point where TVF stated that pareidolic images wouldn't be in three dimensions [I just spent an hour trying to find the discussion, but couldn't].

I remember asking Tom why he thought that, because I certainly didn't believe that, and if memory serves me, neither did Fred. A pareidolic image of a face or body, etc., can certainly be picked out of a 3 dimensional landscape where the eyes or mouth or whatever are at different heights relative to the observer, rather than in just a flat two-dimensional image or landscape.

The more I look at 3D it looks to me as if 3D <b>enhances </b> the pareidolic experience. It's as if the other dimension adds more to fuel the fire of what ever mechanism makes us see faces. They are easier to see in 3D, perhaps because adding the element of depth makes it easier for the mind to pick out faces in random data, since in reality faces have depth.



rd