My pareidolia knows no bounds.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br />For someone whose own understanding (as you just said) went up a notch only recently, I think this is way too pessimistic an assessment. All of us are capable of learning new things. It's more often the <i>unlearning</i> of something already learned wrongly that provides us with a greater challenge, and where some people are deficient in the ability to do it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I was really planning on trying to take this to an entirely new level. But at this point I decided to take my ball and go home. I'm going to continue the investigation, I'm just not going to "post as I go" anymore.

Your comment about (paraphrasing) how "what good is posting a 1000 more pareidolic images going to do?" Zip Monster's post about how he has no idea whatsover what I'm trying to prove (after all this time), and Neil's inane desire to do some kind of measurements on a pareidolic image (no matter how many times I tried to explain how nonsensical that is) all tell me that it's just not worth the headache. I mean I was perfectly willing to keep "going with the flow" to see where it leads, but after awhile one logically has to ask oneself "why?"

I'm intrigued by the notion that "we're all Martians", and all that implies, but I'm equally intrigued by Fred's discovery. Actually, I'm more intrigued by Fred's discovery, because that's something I can readily explore on my own.

If I get something that really merits posting, I'll do that, but until then I don't really want to debate this part of it, anymore.

rd

rd- Thanks for the communication. i will now release all i know to you and the world. Photograph these shadows images on a windy day, when the leafed branches cross (one blowing left to right, simultaneously crossing another going right to left). Do this with a camcorder, and view the images slowly frame by frame. The ultimate would be a 70mm. film movie camera in New Mexico under aspen trees. As close as you can get to this is to approach this ultimate. pareidolically yours...

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">and Neil's inane desire to do some kind of measurements on a pareidolic image[rd]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

You say. The whole point of science (or science writing) is to demonstrate one's assertions in a way that can be generally accepted eventually if not sooner, to others, by following the scientific method, or by reporting on the work of someone who does.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by pareidoliac

Photograph these shadows images on a windy day, when the leafed branches cross (one blowing left to right, simultaneously crossing another going right to left). Do this with a camcorder, and view the images slowly frame by frame. ..... aspen trees. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Fred, thanks for all the help. When I first started to think about trying this, we were at a park looking up into oak trees. I could see how faces pop in and out of view briefly and I said half jokingly, "ideally we'd want to be doing this on a windy day, with a movie camera!" That was before I bought my new digital Nikon, with built-in movie mode. I forgot about the movie part of it, though, so thanks for reminding me. I can't wait to try it. I just tested it, and it's 30 frames per second, and I can step through the frames while in playback mode using Quicktime Player, by pressing the arrow key on the keyboard, while the movie is paused. Then I go to edit, select "copy" and then "paste as new image" in Paintshop. With an empty 1GB SD card, at the TV Movie setting (640x480) I can capture 11 min 41 sec on the card (that's over 21,000 frames). Plus I have a spare card.

I'll have to see if I can find some Aspens (or something close to it) in the high altitudes east of me.

By the way, one of the hazards of this adventure is not keeping your eyes on the road while driving.

rd

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<br />The whole point of science (or science writing) is to demonstrate one's assertions in a way that can be generally accepted eventually if not sooner, to others,<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I once took golf lessons from an old Golf Pro from the 50s, (let's call him Jay). When I met him, he told me he had 2 rules: "Rule 1 is I talk, you listen, and Rule 2 is you have to be willing let me ruin your game first. You won't be able to play for a while."

He was very unconventional in his approach, but I had such good success under him, that after about 6 months, I would see him only once every six months or so. A couple of years later, I sent a friend of mine to him for lessons. I lost track of my friend after that, and one day a year or so later I went back to see Jay for a lesson. I asked him how my friend worked out, because I hadn't seen him for awhile.

He answered quietly, "you can't teach these things to everybody."

All you have to do is assume Fred is telling the truth, and you have your answer already.

rd

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rd- Thanks for your tips and info. This is what real communication is all about. If you liked the images through the trees on a windy day you'll love them on the board, with all the grey tones and details that are added with diffraction and the non-pinpoint source of the sun, adding to the overlapping blurs adding together to form...who can only imagine. i know someday this phenomenon will be practiced by many people, perhaps enough to bring some much needed sanity into the world. Good luck with the 21,000 frames- sounds great.
Much madness is divinist sense- To a discerning eye;- Much sense the starkest madness.- Tis' the majority- In this as all prevails- Assent, and you are sane;- Demur,---you're straight away dangerous- And handled with a chain." (Emily Dickenson.)"