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17 years 11 months ago #19074
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />Afterall, these products are "just" software. Most experts (sometimes including the developers) no longer think of it as AI.
So we move the goal post, begin developing a new product, and dust off the old jokes. (AI is sneaking up on us.)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, agreed. By the way, do you happen to remember the chess battle between the British Chess Master and the Cray? I told the story already, so I don't want to repeat it, but it was a classic case in how software is "getting there" a little at a time. The Brit won for about 3 years in a row, and finally lost around 2001, although there was some talk about how the software guys "tweaked" the software in the middle of the match.
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<br />Afterall, these products are "just" software. Most experts (sometimes including the developers) no longer think of it as AI.
So we move the goal post, begin developing a new product, and dust off the old jokes. (AI is sneaking up on us.)<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yes, agreed. By the way, do you happen to remember the chess battle between the British Chess Master and the Cray? I told the story already, so I don't want to repeat it, but it was a classic case in how software is "getting there" a little at a time. The Brit won for about 3 years in a row, and finally lost around 2001, although there was some talk about how the software guys "tweaked" the software in the middle of the match.
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17 years 11 months ago #18978
by Larry Burford
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Yes, it was an interesting episode.
Don't hear too much about chess AI now days. But this particular example is different (it's still considered AI). I think it isn't discussed much in public because it worries us.
Perhaps it should. The Hollywood computer-takes-over-the-world scenario is silly, but the reality of a thinking, self-aware machine could still cause a lot of problems. Fear of the unknown is a powerful force, and it makes people do really dumb things.
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Don't hear too much about chess AI now days. But this particular example is different (it's still considered AI). I think it isn't discussed much in public because it worries us.
Perhaps it should. The Hollywood computer-takes-over-the-world scenario is silly, but the reality of a thinking, self-aware machine could still cause a lot of problems. Fear of the unknown is a powerful force, and it makes people do really dumb things.
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17 years 11 months ago #18979
by Larry Burford
Replied by Larry Burford on topic Reply from Larry Burford
(Sorry about that - guess we better get back to astronomy ... )
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17 years 11 months ago #18980
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />Don't hear too much about chess AI now days. But this particular example is different (it's still considered AI). I think it isn't discussed much in public because it worries us.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I remember the first electronic chess boards. I still have an old one. This was back before the first PC even existed, so it couldn't have had much brute force calculating powers. I remember how I used to lose on Level 1 (there were 9 Levels) in the beginning. Then after a few weeks, I won on level 1, and from that point forward I realized how silly it was on level 1. You could trick it, just by doing something unexpected. Then on to level 2, and the same thing, once I figured how to beat it, I would never lose if I wanted to win. But, if I tried something totally new for an opening, it would win again for a while. But, once you got up to about level 6 - 9, it was so relentless and mistake free, that it took me playing the same opening over and over until I finally found a way to beat it using that opening.
Now, you factor in the advance in numbers of calculations per second that have come since then, and my chances are slim and none on anything but a rudimentary level.
When the next paradigm shift comes along, like molecular based processors for instance, it may combine massive calculations per second with something very close to AI. It will be like playing a super Spock. I believe AI will eventually (must eventually) dwarf our ability to compete (sorry Fred) in just about any endevour. Just on sheer numbers alone.
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<br />Don't hear too much about chess AI now days. But this particular example is different (it's still considered AI). I think it isn't discussed much in public because it worries us.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I remember the first electronic chess boards. I still have an old one. This was back before the first PC even existed, so it couldn't have had much brute force calculating powers. I remember how I used to lose on Level 1 (there were 9 Levels) in the beginning. Then after a few weeks, I won on level 1, and from that point forward I realized how silly it was on level 1. You could trick it, just by doing something unexpected. Then on to level 2, and the same thing, once I figured how to beat it, I would never lose if I wanted to win. But, if I tried something totally new for an opening, it would win again for a while. But, once you got up to about level 6 - 9, it was so relentless and mistake free, that it took me playing the same opening over and over until I finally found a way to beat it using that opening.
Now, you factor in the advance in numbers of calculations per second that have come since then, and my chances are slim and none on anything but a rudimentary level.
When the next paradigm shift comes along, like molecular based processors for instance, it may combine massive calculations per second with something very close to AI. It will be like playing a super Spock. I believe AI will eventually (must eventually) dwarf our ability to compete (sorry Fred) in just about any endevour. Just on sheer numbers alone.
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17 years 11 months ago #18986
by shando
Replied by shando on topic Reply from Jim Shand
Yes, but ... how come we arn't seeing faces all over the moonscape photos, same as is happening with the marscape photos? Shouldn't they (the phantom faces) be seen equally frequently if they are just our respective minds playing tricks with our consciousness?
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17 years 11 months ago #19206
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by shando</i>
<br />Yes, but ... how come we arn't seeing faces all over the moonscape photos, same as is happening with the marscape photos? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">What photos? Please post links. Let's see what we're dealing with.
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<br />Yes, but ... how come we arn't seeing faces all over the moonscape photos, same as is happening with the marscape photos? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">What photos? Please post links. Let's see what we're dealing with.
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