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10 years 10 months ago #21520
by Larry Burford
Replied by Larry Burford on topic Reply from Larry Burford
So, what about the notion that pareidolia(original) only happens to crazy people?
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The guy that came up with that has to have known at least a few people who had seen faces or rabbits in the clouds.
In fact, he most likely had seen one or two of them himself. The more I think about the original definition the less I object to it. It has long been clear to me that all of us are wack-o.
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Well, with the possible exception of me. But I hope I'm wrong about that.
WTF?
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The guy that came up with that has to have known at least a few people who had seen faces or rabbits in the clouds.
In fact, he most likely had seen one or two of them himself. The more I think about the original definition the less I object to it. It has long been clear to me that all of us are wack-o.
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Well, with the possible exception of me. But I hope I'm wrong about that.
WTF?
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10 years 10 months ago #21836
by pareidoliac
Replied by pareidoliac on topic Reply from fred ressler
Natural things have a form that must agree with the function of that form. When seen this way a tree looks like a tree. When a human looks at the same tree looking for a pattern that looks like a face and sees it- we call what she sees pareidolia (ressler). The pattern the viewer sees serves no function or dysfunction as far as the tree and reality are concerned as it is a pattern than need not follow any function. It might serve the viewer artistic/ meditative/ views into the unconscious etc. This freedom from function is what makes pareidolia (ressler) "natures art" for here nature is free to form patterns without the limitations of forms which most often are limited by symmetry/ armoring and other necessary restrictions in nature.
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10 years 10 months ago #21521
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
I think the people doing face algorithms are using the wrong shapes and features. They are making a faulty assumption, in my opinion. I think they would get to a whole new level if they used pareidolic (modern) soup as their samples instead of the back of trucks and alarm clocks. In other words, eliminate anything we know to be man made, and then try to identify faces.
A paradigm shift.
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A paradigm shift.
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10 years 10 months ago #21522
by Larry Burford
Replied by Larry Burford on topic Reply from Larry Burford
Good points.
Consider also that this freedom from function means that the 'perceived object' can be totally independent of the object (or objects) that the 'perceiver' uses to create the perceived object.
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NOTE - a single perceived object is not uncommonly comprised of numerous independent real objects. Thus the perceived object can only be perceived when viewed from a specific angle or even a specific position, so that the component objects are properly aligned with respect to each other from the perceiver's point of view.
Consider also that this freedom from function means that the 'perceived object' can be totally independent of the object (or objects) that the 'perceiver' uses to create the perceived object.
LB
NOTE - a single perceived object is not uncommonly comprised of numerous independent real objects. Thus the perceived object can only be perceived when viewed from a specific angle or even a specific position, so that the component objects are properly aligned with respect to each other from the perceiver's point of view.
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10 years 10 months ago #21523
by Larry Burford
Replied by Larry Burford on topic Reply from Larry Burford
<b>[rderosa] "... the people doing face algorithms ..."</b>
Wouldn't it be cool if this little exercise lead to some sort of breakthrough in pattern recognition software?
Wouldn't it be cool if this little exercise lead to some sort of breakthrough in pattern recognition software?
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10 years 10 months ago #21582
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />So, what about the notion that pareidolia(original) only happens to crazy people?
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The guy that came up with that has to have known at least a few people who had seen faces or rabbits in the clouds.
WTF?
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A lot of the legends of the American wild west come from the period about 20 years <b>after </b> that book was written. It was still common for doctor's to be thought of as witches in certain parts of the country.
Just some perspective.
He may have invented the word, or maybe it was in use at the time in such a fashion, but sorry, we've appropriated the word to mean what it does in either the modern or ressler version.
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<br />So, what about the notion that pareidolia(original) only happens to crazy people?
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The guy that came up with that has to have known at least a few people who had seen faces or rabbits in the clouds.
WTF?
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A lot of the legends of the American wild west come from the period about 20 years <b>after </b> that book was written. It was still common for doctor's to be thought of as witches in certain parts of the country.
Just some perspective.
He may have invented the word, or maybe it was in use at the time in such a fashion, but sorry, we've appropriated the word to mean what it does in either the modern or ressler version.
rd
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