My pareidolia knows no bounds.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rderosa</i>
<br />This topic was born out of a debate that had been raging for months, if not years, over the question of whether or not the faces, forms and features people were finding in the MRO Mars data were artificial or not.

rd
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In the plains just south of Melas Chasma, are some of the most intriguing mysteries I have found to date.

Initially, when I started researching this area, I noticed these quite remarkable surface anomalies which were described as Light-Toned Layering on the HiRISE site.

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In the converted JPEG2000 image ESP_025310_1690 to .tiff I found it was almost impossible to rotate the gigantic file (1.2 gigs) unless I cropped the image into a smaller size which then allowed me to see the shapes better which, appeared to be almost metallic in construct and design. They are a most peculiar oddity of the surface!

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In the video here:

drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiQ0h...WE0/edit?usp=sharing

I have zoomed in to this close up location and is quite fascinating. As you can see here, the apparent under structure or buttress is in fact a montage of hieroglyphs and can just make out very small pictures which, for all intents and purposes seem to indicate graffiti of sorts! This should prove to be a real challenge for the Heiroglyphologist's to translate.

What is most compelling is the fact that the entire escarpment where these arced structures are located, they ALL exhibit similar hieroglyphs. Now what is really quite startling is the apparent inclusion in many of the glyphs, are the depiction of actual western alphabet NUMBERS! The number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9 are observed throughout. Here are just a few but again, they can be found in almost all of these quasi buttress under structures.

Malcolm Scott

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />Rich,

Have you ever been asked a similar question about your Mt Rushmore picture? How did you reply?

If not, would you?

LB
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Larry,

I always try to state my purpose for posting an image and what I'm attempting to show. Certainly, I would answer such a question.

In the case of the Mt. Rushmore scene, I am attempting to put some perspective on an image scene that is very easy for us all to agree on.

I'm not using it as an example of pareidolia (modern or otherwise) since we all know it was carved out of the rocks by man. I've even been there and read all about its history, and climbed on the faces.

In this most recent case of Zip Monster's image, I don't know what he is attempting to show. If as he stated it's in Peru, that means it's on Earth and we all know there are people on Earth.

We could easily do what Sitchen or Von Daniken would do in such a circumstance and go there and talk to the indigenous peoples or a curator and find out who did it.

They obviously appear to be man-made faces carved into the mountain side in some way. There's a mild "question" as defined in pareidolia (derosa) but not so much as there would be on Mars, since we know there are people on Earth. On Earth my fallback position would usually be: "man-made" as opposed to pareidolia (all) until and unless we went there to look at them closely and they disappeared.

So, I don't know what Zip is attempting to show. What part of the discussion is he attempting to further?

My question was the simplest one I could think of without offending him.

Yes, I would always answer any question put to me.

rd

By the way, Larry, I've read a great deal about Ancient Alien Theory from Sitchen and Von Daniken, and I have to admit, I believe there's an enormous amount of evidence on Earth for it. Also, it's not too big a leap to think if they came here, they also stopped on Mars, and possibly passed their time away by drawing and carving images all over the surface of Mars, exactly as Neil believed. Someday we'll know for sure.

So, in the case of Zip's image of faces in Peru, they could have been done by these Ancient Aliens also. But I still don't know what Zip is attempting to show. Was it intended to say something about the pareidolia vs artificial question? Or something else?



rd

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
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pdsimage.wr.usgs.gov/cdroms/Mars_Reconna...399/ESP_011359_1695/
Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Malcolm, I watched your video. Very interesting. I would still like to see if I can figure out what the relative resolution of this is. When I click on your link, I get a list of various versions of the /ESP_011359_1695 image, but none of them have "properties", and I'm not sure which one you are using, anyway. When I was doing this on the MRO images, there was always a link to the properties, distance of the spaceship, angle image was taken from, and all that good stuff. Do you happen to have a link to that? I could do the calculations myself if I can find it.

rd

I think I always post the catalog number to the HiRISE site which, just for reference, you can always Google and it will pop right up.

For the Alien specimen, here is the link: hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_011359_1695

As I do not know what imaging software you are using I do know that even when you download almost all JPEG2000 images, they are quite difficult to navigate with. I use Irfanview with a JPEG2000 plug-in. Then I save the image to an uncompressed .tif image. This speeds up things especially opening the image file. You will also need to play around with the Gamma and contrast tools as the HiRISE JPEG2000 is way off in it's posted state.



Malcolm Scott

Btw, this JPEG2000 file is huge....hope you have the bandwidth, could take a while.
Grayscale: map-projected (1586.2 MB)

Malcolm Scott