NASA, I'm ready for my close-up

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br />Here is a feature I had thought was a deep crack or fissure in the damaged east half of the face in the cheek area<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">The ESA 3-D image resolves the ambiguity about this feature. The impact crater apparently broke the east surface, causing a large section of it to vertically near the base of the nose ridge and slide eastward and slightly northward. The highest part of the break occured up on the nose ridge. From 2-D imagery, I previously thought this was a "melt flow". But it's a detached portion of the east side surface. An unattached portion also fell off the tip of the nose ridge into the mouth feature.

In the most interesting find (for me) so far in the MRO image, it clearly reveals a perfecty symmetric east side of the mouth feature in just the right place. I had previously thought this was another feature that had been displaced southward from the east mouth area. But no, the east mouth is right where it should be and with the same width and extent as the west side feature. Symmetry is both about the Face mid-line and with respect to the mesa walls.

If it had not been for that damage, I wonder what JPL would now be saying to explain an eroded Face image of otherwise Mt. Rushmore quality. -|Tom|-

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In the most interesting find (for me) so far in the MRO image, it clearly reveals a perfectly symmetric east side of the mouth feature in just the right place. [Tom]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Is this what you have in mind?

g- Full mouth with bottom of nose.



h- Same crop indicated.



i- East portion of mouth newly revealed (contrast enhanced).



j- Straightened Browse version of full face for reference.

Neil, the new image of the zig-zag shaped “mane” area on the Feline side of the Face shows it is not a fault or crack created by an impact, but evidence of intentional design.

Jim Miller and I debunked Tom’s “melt” - impact crater scenario for the shape of Feline’s eye and mane feature in the Meta Research thread: “New image of the Cydonia Face 4-13-06” back on May 2, 2006 (see StarJim posts on page 4).

www.metaresearch.org/msgboard/topic.asp?...C_ID=856&whichpage=4

Zip Monster

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">"Jim Miller and I debunked Tom’s “melt” - impact crater scenario for the shape of Feline’s eye and mane feature in the Meta Research thread: “New image of the Cydonia Face 4-13-06” back on May 2, 2006 (see StarJim posts on page 4)."[ZM]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I respect your position and will continue to look at your evidence, as I have done before. I don't necessarily accept the “impact-on-face-itself” theory, but I do think there is good reason to believe that the east half of the face was damaged at some time in the past. For me, the two primary reasons are 1- the evidence of many details on the face mesa that appear to be the result of some kind of heat or impact trauma; and 2- the modeled human-like (and familiar animal-like) art found elsewhere on Mars, (see my “Clean Copies,” and “Keys” threads).

There is an alternative catastrophic theory on Levasseur’s website, whereby a major meteor or asteroid impact occurred some distance to the east of the Cydonia structures, which should also be taken seriously.

Neil

Oh yeah, I see,... the facial features on the Humanoid side of the Face are a result of design, however the asymmetrical feline features on the other side of the Face are the creation of faults, cracks and impact craters that have distorted the symmetry of the features.

Check your Art History and follow the data, symmetry is more of a “new” western ideal, not the rule. While, composite art is seen as more traditional.

Neil said - Quote: “For me, the two primary reasons [for symmetry] are:"

1- "the evidence of many details on the face mesa that appear to be the result of some kind of heat or impact trauma."

Really...show me the evidence. I see no evidence of an impact on the Cydonia Face. My co-author William Saunders, who is a geologist, sees no impact evidence either. Its part of the design.

2- "the modeled human-like (and familiar animal-like) art found elsewhere on Mars, (see my "Clean Copies," and "Keys" threads)."

Saunders and I have documented over two dozen - half and bifurcated geoglyphic structures found in the Cydonia area, in our book “The Cydonia Codex” ... and we have more. We have also provided aesthetic comparisons of terrestrial half and two-faced artworks produced by New World cultures - that express a direct iconographic correlation between these common structures found on Mars.

Sorry, but the Cydonia model appears to be a composite aesthetic.

Zip Monster

Despite the title of this thread which I assume to be euphemistic, I understand the topic here to be the MRO / HiRISE image of the famous Cydonia Face. I thank the controlling authorities for taking the picture. It appears to be well done; the lighting is good, the resolution is as advertised, (see below), and all said and done, I believe it adds to our knowledge of the structure.

"Observation Geometry (from HiRISE website).
Image PSP_003234_2210 was taken by the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera onboard the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft on 05-Apr-2007. The complete image is centered at 40.7 degrees latitude, 350.5 degrees East longitude. The range to the target site was 299.4 km (187.1 miles). At this distance the image scale is 29.9 cm/pixel (with 1 x 1 binning) so objects ~90 cm across are resolved. The image shown here has been map-projected to 25 cm/pixel and north is up. The image was taken at a local Mars time of 03:28 PM and the scene is illuminated from the west with a solar incidence angle of 73 degrees, thus the sun was about 17 degrees above the horizon. At a solar longitude of 213.4 degrees, the season on Mars is Northern Autumn."

Following is a continuing detailed look at the MRO Cydonia face with some comments and discussion to follow. As always, I welcome constructive responses. All images are compressed for use on web pages (except for details at 100% and/or less than 200kb, in which case they may be actual).

1- Headpiece and forehead at 13% magnification



2- Headpiece detail at 60%



3- Headpiece detail at 55%



4- West Headpiece detail at 41%



5- West Headpiece detail at 95%



6- West Headpiece detail at 100%



7- West side of Headpiece detail at 100%



8- West side of Headpiece detail at 100%



9- West side of forehead at 100%



10- West side of forehead at 100%



11- East side of Headpiece detail at 23%



12- East side of Headpiece detail at 95%



13- East side of Headpiece detail at 100%



14- East side of forehead detail at 100%