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20 years 9 months ago #8581
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by glittle</i>
<br />Tom, is there any way that researchers and scientists who support the Le Sage gravity model can try to get some more coverage in the presses? It seems that the popular press is beginning to question some of the "accepted" theories.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Getting new ideas out is a slow process. Many people do not do well with new ideas, or with the process of "unlearning". But we plan presentations at major scientific meetings to continue the slow diffusion of this knowledge.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Maybe you, and others, can contact the reporters who are writing these articles and let them know that when they want to learn about the "alternative model", they should talk with you!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Reporters are constantly beseiged with such "pay attention to this" requests. They have learned that the least likely to be productive are those of the "pay attention to me" variety. So at a minimum, they want such tips to come from disinterested parties. Tips from multiple disinterested sources are the most likely to succeed. But even then, interest depends on the personal biases and goals of the reporter -- for example, whether he/she regards the story or preserving good relations with exisitng contacts and sources as more important.
The reporter also must have enough confidence in his/her own judgment to get past the inevitable sound-byte response from some of his/her usual fact-checking sources: "Oh, that was disproved a century ago. Only cranks still believe in it!" -|Tom|-
<br />Tom, is there any way that researchers and scientists who support the Le Sage gravity model can try to get some more coverage in the presses? It seems that the popular press is beginning to question some of the "accepted" theories.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Getting new ideas out is a slow process. Many people do not do well with new ideas, or with the process of "unlearning". But we plan presentations at major scientific meetings to continue the slow diffusion of this knowledge.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Maybe you, and others, can contact the reporters who are writing these articles and let them know that when they want to learn about the "alternative model", they should talk with you!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Reporters are constantly beseiged with such "pay attention to this" requests. They have learned that the least likely to be productive are those of the "pay attention to me" variety. So at a minimum, they want such tips to come from disinterested parties. Tips from multiple disinterested sources are the most likely to succeed. But even then, interest depends on the personal biases and goals of the reporter -- for example, whether he/she regards the story or preserving good relations with exisitng contacts and sources as more important.
The reporter also must have enough confidence in his/her own judgment to get past the inevitable sound-byte response from some of his/her usual fact-checking sources: "Oh, that was disproved a century ago. Only cranks still believe in it!" -|Tom|-
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20 years 9 months ago #8294
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The key here I think is not in the press it lies in academia. The press if anything should be reporting the tyranny of the Big Bangers towards any who support an alternative.
Tom,
Have you applied to teach anywhere lately, you are a Yale graduate are you not? Oh, I forgot you don't support the established order. Academia has not progressed much over the centuries in some respects. If they practiced what they preached to the rest of us as far as Scientic Method and openess to new ideas, we may just get somewhere. If you can get a job to teach and get reserch assistance from Doctoral Students, the MM could be developed and built upon. Then again, these students would have to find jobs in other Universities to begin a spread of the idea. Build it, they will come.
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Have you applied to teach anywhere lately, you are a Yale graduate are you not? Oh, I forgot you don't support the established order. Academia has not progressed much over the centuries in some respects. If they practiced what they preached to the rest of us as far as Scientic Method and openess to new ideas, we may just get somewhere. If you can get a job to teach and get reserch assistance from Doctoral Students, the MM could be developed and built upon. Then again, these students would have to find jobs in other Universities to begin a spread of the idea. Build it, they will come.
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20 years 1 month ago #11612
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I just read this msg today, I have a good friend at NCSU physics dept who was convinced by Pushing Gravity to include these ideas in his curriculum to the unsuspecting (untainted) minds of new students. He teaches it like it is accepted fact. I teach it in high school the same way and have had no problems. In fact, feedback from a professor of a former student that I had called me and made known to me that he appreciated my student challenging gravitation in his class with concrete examples and citation of experiements that I used in my class from Pushing Gravity. My point is maybe the academia blockade is dying off, there are MANY unsatisified thinkers who can be swayed with apparent ease. MV
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20 years 1 month ago #11990
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Replied by emanuel on topic Reply from Emanuel Sferios
Tom,
A while back we discussed starting up an "action alert" program for metaresearch, where we call on people to write letters to the editor in response to particular news stories. As a long-time activist, I know that media activism of this sort works.
Action alerts and sample letters can be written very responsibly to maximize the likelihood that the letter will be printed, as well as the chances that a reporter will do a follow-up call.
In my opinion, the ideas and challenges to mainstream astronomy that you provide here are too important to remain isolated within a niche community of alternative thinkers.
The EPH and artificial structures on Mars especially deserve the full attention of the world community, as these issues have serious implications for the future of the planet.
Emanuel
A while back we discussed starting up an "action alert" program for metaresearch, where we call on people to write letters to the editor in response to particular news stories. As a long-time activist, I know that media activism of this sort works.
Action alerts and sample letters can be written very responsibly to maximize the likelihood that the letter will be printed, as well as the chances that a reporter will do a follow-up call.
In my opinion, the ideas and challenges to mainstream astronomy that you provide here are too important to remain isolated within a niche community of alternative thinkers.
The EPH and artificial structures on Mars especially deserve the full attention of the world community, as these issues have serious implications for the future of the planet.
Emanuel
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20 years 1 month ago #11708
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by emanuel</i>
<br />A while back we discussed starting up an "action alert" program for metaresearch, where we call on people to write letters to the editor in response to particular news stories. As a long-time activist, I know that media activism of this sort works.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It is an interesting suggestion. But much like the mice who proposed putting a bell on the cat to warn them when the cat was around, yours is a great idea that all us mice enthusiastically support. But there is just this little problem of how to make it happen. Have you thought about specifics? I'll also pose that question to the Meta Research Board. -|Tom|-
<br />A while back we discussed starting up an "action alert" program for metaresearch, where we call on people to write letters to the editor in response to particular news stories. As a long-time activist, I know that media activism of this sort works.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It is an interesting suggestion. But much like the mice who proposed putting a bell on the cat to warn them when the cat was around, yours is a great idea that all us mice enthusiastically support. But there is just this little problem of how to make it happen. Have you thought about specifics? I'll also pose that question to the Meta Research Board. -|Tom|-
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