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Is the current big bang model wrong?
20 years 6 months ago #4146
by DAVID
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by wisp</i>
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My thoughts are:
The actual energy of light does not change. It is only when we measure it on earth that we record a change in frequency due to ether motion, which results in Doppler effect.
The galaxies are moving apart because they are formed from fragments that we blown apart during the BB. However, they are moving apart with similar speeds to that which they had shortly after the BB. They are not continuing to accelerate, and the ether's expansion is independent of current galaxy speeds.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Ok, sounds like your theory is not too far from mine. I say the “ether” is a “local phenomenon”, and “the ether” is/are actually all the “local gravity fields” generated by astronomical bodies, and I say that these are what regulate the speed of light relative to each “local ether” through which the photons travel.
In deep space these “ethers” are “blended”, and I’m not exactly sure what happens to the photon speed there, except that I think it speeds up a little since the fields in deep space are weak. As a photon transitions from one “full strength” ether (gravity field) to another, it changes speed relative to distant objects, but it generally moves at about “c” relative to the field through which it is traveling. For stronger fields near the surfaces of astronomical bodies, it slows down to below “c”, and in deep space it speeds up a little to more than “c”.
So, from this point of view, “the ether” is “expanding”. But I would say that “the local ethers” are “expanding” or getting “thinner” in deep space in-between the galaxies, because I think the “local ethers” are, in effect, the gravity fields generated by each astronomical body.
I would say the ether’s “expansion” <b>is</b> dependent on the galaxy speeds, since, from my point of view, “the ether” is the gravity fields generated by each body.
So, inside a galaxy, photons would travel at approximately “c” relative to that galaxy. Some slower, some faster, depending on how close to a star or planet they are. Once they get outside the galaxy, they speed up a little and eventually come under the influence of the gravity field of some other galaxy. When they arrive in our solar system, their local speeds are regulated first by the sun’s gravity field, and then when they approach within a few thousand miles of the earth, the earth’s local gravity field takes over control of their local speeds and regulates them to approximately “c” at the surface of the earth.
We’re like fish in a fish bowl. Fish will always measure the LOCAL speed of light in the water to be the speed of light in water. But while the light was traveling toward the water, and before it entered the water, it traveled at about “c” in deep space. When it reached the water, then it slowed down to the speed of light in water. Something inside the water slows it down. Perhaps some of the fields of the molecules of the water. It is also possible that both the electric and magnetic fields of space also contribute to the regulation of the speed of photons through space.
This is currently my point of view about this subject.
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My thoughts are:
The actual energy of light does not change. It is only when we measure it on earth that we record a change in frequency due to ether motion, which results in Doppler effect.
The galaxies are moving apart because they are formed from fragments that we blown apart during the BB. However, they are moving apart with similar speeds to that which they had shortly after the BB. They are not continuing to accelerate, and the ether's expansion is independent of current galaxy speeds.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Ok, sounds like your theory is not too far from mine. I say the “ether” is a “local phenomenon”, and “the ether” is/are actually all the “local gravity fields” generated by astronomical bodies, and I say that these are what regulate the speed of light relative to each “local ether” through which the photons travel.
In deep space these “ethers” are “blended”, and I’m not exactly sure what happens to the photon speed there, except that I think it speeds up a little since the fields in deep space are weak. As a photon transitions from one “full strength” ether (gravity field) to another, it changes speed relative to distant objects, but it generally moves at about “c” relative to the field through which it is traveling. For stronger fields near the surfaces of astronomical bodies, it slows down to below “c”, and in deep space it speeds up a little to more than “c”.
So, from this point of view, “the ether” is “expanding”. But I would say that “the local ethers” are “expanding” or getting “thinner” in deep space in-between the galaxies, because I think the “local ethers” are, in effect, the gravity fields generated by each astronomical body.
I would say the ether’s “expansion” <b>is</b> dependent on the galaxy speeds, since, from my point of view, “the ether” is the gravity fields generated by each body.
So, inside a galaxy, photons would travel at approximately “c” relative to that galaxy. Some slower, some faster, depending on how close to a star or planet they are. Once they get outside the galaxy, they speed up a little and eventually come under the influence of the gravity field of some other galaxy. When they arrive in our solar system, their local speeds are regulated first by the sun’s gravity field, and then when they approach within a few thousand miles of the earth, the earth’s local gravity field takes over control of their local speeds and regulates them to approximately “c” at the surface of the earth.
We’re like fish in a fish bowl. Fish will always measure the LOCAL speed of light in the water to be the speed of light in water. But while the light was traveling toward the water, and before it entered the water, it traveled at about “c” in deep space. When it reached the water, then it slowed down to the speed of light in water. Something inside the water slows it down. Perhaps some of the fields of the molecules of the water. It is also possible that both the electric and magnetic fields of space also contribute to the regulation of the speed of photons through space.
This is currently my point of view about this subject.
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20 years 6 months ago #4160
by wisp
Replied by wisp on topic Reply from Kevin Harkess
david
Ether models of the BB make more sense to me than models in which Einstein’s spacetime expands out from a point.
There is a lot of support for “local” ether frames, and this might have something to do with GPS involvement. However, I’m sticking with non-local ether, because my theory suggests that the ether has mass (in fact it is extremely dense) and so the earth cannot drag or carry ether with it - if it did it its mass would increase enormously. I know that the potential energy of the earth’s gravitational field has an energy value and this equates to a mass value (m=e/C^2), and test have proven this mass does exist and effectively adds to the earth's gravitational field. But this is small compared to any extra ether drag mass.
The big difference between our ethers is that your model sees the ether as a substance that can thin out, a sort of thing that can surround material bodies. In my model the ether has the most solid density or mass and bodies are formed around holes in it, and as such volumes of matter are less dense than the ether of “empty” space – it’s a photographic negative of our perception of reality.
It is the density variation of ether around matter that causes bodies to move together (gravitational effect).
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It is also possible that both the electric and magnetic fields of space also contribute to the regulation of the speed of photons through space.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I fully agree with this. Maxwell showed that the permeability and permittivity of space determines light’s speed.
wisp
- particles of nothingness
Ether models of the BB make more sense to me than models in which Einstein’s spacetime expands out from a point.
There is a lot of support for “local” ether frames, and this might have something to do with GPS involvement. However, I’m sticking with non-local ether, because my theory suggests that the ether has mass (in fact it is extremely dense) and so the earth cannot drag or carry ether with it - if it did it its mass would increase enormously. I know that the potential energy of the earth’s gravitational field has an energy value and this equates to a mass value (m=e/C^2), and test have proven this mass does exist and effectively adds to the earth's gravitational field. But this is small compared to any extra ether drag mass.
The big difference between our ethers is that your model sees the ether as a substance that can thin out, a sort of thing that can surround material bodies. In my model the ether has the most solid density or mass and bodies are formed around holes in it, and as such volumes of matter are less dense than the ether of “empty” space – it’s a photographic negative of our perception of reality.
It is the density variation of ether around matter that causes bodies to move together (gravitational effect).
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">It is also possible that both the electric and magnetic fields of space also contribute to the regulation of the speed of photons through space.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I fully agree with this. Maxwell showed that the permeability and permittivity of space determines light’s speed.
wisp
- particles of nothingness
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20 years 6 months ago #8824
by tuffy
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so, what if space is infinite and the distribution of matter throughout space is infinite then bb's, if they exist, would be local phenomena, like galaxies.
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20 years 6 months ago #9409
by Peter
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All is a matter of scale, according to Savov's theory of interaction
www.world-mysteries.com/toi_esavov.htm
www.world-mysteries.com/toi_esavov.htm
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20 years 6 months ago #8781
by tuffy
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what's this ether, aether busines? i remember that that got destroyed in the dark ages. what comes around, goes around. what's wrong with the word space? nothing/space=infinite... stuff/matter=eternal. hey, it could happen!
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