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18 years 9 months ago #15251
by JMB
Replied by JMB on topic Reply from Jacques Moret-Bailly
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tommy</i>
I believe that all matter is actually a field, and a field is something that forms from a relationship.
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The relationships are the ways we are able to understand more easily physics by the use of mathematics.
For me, a particle is a soliton, a nonlinear field. As Maxwel's equations are linear, the photon does not exist.
I believe that all matter is actually a field, and a field is something that forms from a relationship.
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The relationships are the ways we are able to understand more easily physics by the use of mathematics.
For me, a particle is a soliton, a nonlinear field. As Maxwel's equations are linear, the photon does not exist.
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18 years 9 months ago #14896
by JMB
Replied by JMB on topic Reply from Jacques Moret-Bailly
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />The 2nd law you refering to here is only valid in limited perameters because it is about heat. Heat is not energy as is light, EMF, microwave, radio, x-ray, infrared, or whatever other range radiation is observed at. This is a very important detail that needs to be understood if you want to advance the cause of science. Look at the photosynthesis process as an example; the energy wave plants use in what they do is ~500nm and if you apply thermal rules to this energy you get an operating temperature of ~5,000 kelvin. You can see my point here I hope-plants cook at 350 kelvin and water boils at 373.
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The second principle of thermodynamics says that the entropy cannot decrease. Its application supposes that all types of energy have a temperature. Planck's law gives the temperature of light; the temperature of an electric current is very high.
But the principle does not say that the entropy cannot be constant. When light is refracted by a prism, (at least in first approximation, if there is no absorption), the entropy is constant. A led does not heat much, the increase of entropy is lower than in a bulb. In photosynthesis, there is a big increase of entropy, because while the energy got in the synthetised (organic+oxygen) chemical products is very available (hot temperature if they burn !), it represents only about 10% of the input energy.
It is the same problem than in a motor. The increase of entropy is only low in batteries.
<br />The 2nd law you refering to here is only valid in limited perameters because it is about heat. Heat is not energy as is light, EMF, microwave, radio, x-ray, infrared, or whatever other range radiation is observed at. This is a very important detail that needs to be understood if you want to advance the cause of science. Look at the photosynthesis process as an example; the energy wave plants use in what they do is ~500nm and if you apply thermal rules to this energy you get an operating temperature of ~5,000 kelvin. You can see my point here I hope-plants cook at 350 kelvin and water boils at 373.
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The second principle of thermodynamics says that the entropy cannot decrease. Its application supposes that all types of energy have a temperature. Planck's law gives the temperature of light; the temperature of an electric current is very high.
But the principle does not say that the entropy cannot be constant. When light is refracted by a prism, (at least in first approximation, if there is no absorption), the entropy is constant. A led does not heat much, the increase of entropy is lower than in a bulb. In photosynthesis, there is a big increase of entropy, because while the energy got in the synthetised (organic+oxygen) chemical products is very available (hot temperature if they burn !), it represents only about 10% of the input energy.
It is the same problem than in a motor. The increase of entropy is only low in batteries.
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18 years 9 months ago #14898
by Tommy
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Quantum mechanics was my job. It was very difficult to teach it, because the students asked good questions...
My point it that the principles of QM are absurd, while the remainder (the formalism) is evidently powerful.
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I once read that Quantum Mechanics is a computational system. That is the part, I presume, everyone is so proud of. I used to love to read about the philosophy of Quantum Physics, I didn't know then all they were talking about is the system.
And I don't mean generic system as in "my system" I mean system as in general system theory ala Bertalanffy. (Whitehead's organicism) I think Einstein once said that the simplest quantum system is two quanta. I suppose that a relationship between the quanta is the focus of QM. Alfred Linde wrote a paper in which he derived QM theormodynamically, after reading it hundreds of times, I finally was able to find his two quanta bracketed by Schroedinger's equation. That's a minimal system.
Nowadays, the buzz word is complexity science, and even better than that is non-linear complexity science. Very few of these guys bothered to do their requisite prior research and are unaware of the beginnings of Wholistic Systems Science, the ontology if it all. So they re-discover all this neat stuff about systems in general, and imagining it is the first time discovered, they attach their clever names to it, as if the discovery were theirs. Subsequently, there are a hundred different names for what is essentially the same thing. Nothing wrong about that, until someone comes along, sees it, and assumes that the one hundred names are about one hundred different things. So he finds his favorite thing, and fights for it as if it were competing with the other 99 perspectives. Oh, they find that there is something fundamental going on, and they are looking for the Ur principle.
My point it that the principles of QM are absurd, while the remainder (the formalism) is evidently powerful.
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I once read that Quantum Mechanics is a computational system. That is the part, I presume, everyone is so proud of. I used to love to read about the philosophy of Quantum Physics, I didn't know then all they were talking about is the system.
And I don't mean generic system as in "my system" I mean system as in general system theory ala Bertalanffy. (Whitehead's organicism) I think Einstein once said that the simplest quantum system is two quanta. I suppose that a relationship between the quanta is the focus of QM. Alfred Linde wrote a paper in which he derived QM theormodynamically, after reading it hundreds of times, I finally was able to find his two quanta bracketed by Schroedinger's equation. That's a minimal system.
Nowadays, the buzz word is complexity science, and even better than that is non-linear complexity science. Very few of these guys bothered to do their requisite prior research and are unaware of the beginnings of Wholistic Systems Science, the ontology if it all. So they re-discover all this neat stuff about systems in general, and imagining it is the first time discovered, they attach their clever names to it, as if the discovery were theirs. Subsequently, there are a hundred different names for what is essentially the same thing. Nothing wrong about that, until someone comes along, sees it, and assumes that the one hundred names are about one hundred different things. So he finds his favorite thing, and fights for it as if it were competing with the other 99 perspectives. Oh, they find that there is something fundamental going on, and they are looking for the Ur principle.
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18 years 9 months ago #15252
by Jim
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QM and Planck's law are moot on the detail of temperature and it would be a good thing to remember temperature is a quality of matter and not quality of energy. QM is screwed up at this time because these details are being cooked into a stew by models. It is my opinion this will be fixed at some time in the future and the value of QM will be clear and simple to everyone. Planck didnot invent a new universe he simply removed temperature from prior state of the art laws thereby resolving a problem that existed at the time.
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18 years 9 months ago #14899
by JMB
Replied by JMB on topic Reply from Jacques Moret-Bailly
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />QM and Planck's law are moot on the detail of temperature and it would be a good thing to remember temperature is a quality of matter and not quality of energy.
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In a blackbody, there is no transfer of energy, therefore no increase of the entropy because the amplitudes of the electromagnetic fields obey Planck's law. Thus, Planck's law shows how there is no transfer of energy between waves and matter, exactly as there is no transfer of energy between two solids which have the same temperature.
Thus the light has a temperature (the electrons in a metal too).
<br />QM and Planck's law are moot on the detail of temperature and it would be a good thing to remember temperature is a quality of matter and not quality of energy.
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In a blackbody, there is no transfer of energy, therefore no increase of the entropy because the amplitudes of the electromagnetic fields obey Planck's law. Thus, Planck's law shows how there is no transfer of energy between waves and matter, exactly as there is no transfer of energy between two solids which have the same temperature.
Thus the light has a temperature (the electrons in a metal too).
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18 years 9 months ago #14900
by JMB
Replied by JMB on topic Reply from Jacques Moret-Bailly
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tommy</i>... there are a hundred different names for what is essentially the same thing.
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I generally agree with you. However, remark:
People try the same "new" topic, and it is easy to find details and publish them.
But, only the important discoveries remain.
For instance, there is a lot of publications about the Big Bang, teleportation ... and they will go to the bin.
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I generally agree with you. However, remark:
People try the same "new" topic, and it is easy to find details and publish them.
But, only the important discoveries remain.
For instance, there is a lot of publications about the Big Bang, teleportation ... and they will go to the bin.
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