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19 years 4 months ago #13599
by Gregg
I need to try to adjust my vocabulary to avoid this ambiguity.
Thanks,
LB
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Hi Larry
I have been off to a refinery; have now returned.
I would like to describe what is a classic case of "suction force" or "attractive force". In a mill, it is typical to want to draw a vacuum on a closed vessel. So, a steam ejector (or eductor) is used to "suck" the air out of the vessel. A steam ejector looks a lot like a pistol. There is a wide port on the backside and a flared port on the frontside. In the center there is a very narrow throat, between backside and front. Right at the throat, there is a perpendicular port coming up from the vessel that we want to have at vacuum. Steam, at about 150 psi gauge, is connected to the back port. The steam, by its own pressure, will advance forward into the steam ejector. The constricting geometry of the steam ejector throat causes the steam to trade its static pressure for momentum forward into the throat. The expanding frontside further "incourages" the steam to be a high speed jet coming out of the throat. The steam velocity is very high and the static pressure at the throat is only about 4.3 psi absolute. When the steam enters the atmosphere, which is 14.7 psi absolute, it dissipates and returns to 14.7 psi absolute. At time zero, the pressure in our vessel is 14.7 psi absolute. When steam is activated, the air will be drawn out of the vessel until the vessel pressure is 4.3 psi absolute. Even though the steam steam continues on for hours, days, etc, the pressure in the vessel will not go below 4.3 psi absolute. The fact is that the steam jet does not suck air out of the vessel. It simply provides a static pressure of 4.3 psi absolute at the vessel port that connects to the steam ejector throat. At time zero, at 14.7 psia, there is a pressure difference between the vessel and the throat. The air pushes its way out of the vessel until there is no pressure difference. Then it stops. When air molecules are advancing into the steam ejector throat, they are pushed by high velocity steam molecules, out into the atmosphere. Theoretically, one could use a very high pressure steam and very small ejector throat to set up a static pressure extremely close to zero. However, in reality, the super high pressure steam and its velocity would quickly erode the metal that makes the throat.
So, I am going with the idea that an attractive force can always be explained by pushing force and geometry. Then, I am going with the fact that molecules and chemical bonds have definite geometry. I take the leap that the nucleus and the proton will have definite geometry. Experiments have shown that the proton is asymetric. If so, you can build all elements and finally a solar system, from asymetric protons (with the help of elysons and gravitons).
If I am wrong, then you can all breathe a sigh of relief.
Gregg Wilson
Replied by Gregg on topic Reply from Gregg Wilson
I need to try to adjust my vocabulary to avoid this ambiguity.
Thanks,
LB
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Hi Larry
I have been off to a refinery; have now returned.
I would like to describe what is a classic case of "suction force" or "attractive force". In a mill, it is typical to want to draw a vacuum on a closed vessel. So, a steam ejector (or eductor) is used to "suck" the air out of the vessel. A steam ejector looks a lot like a pistol. There is a wide port on the backside and a flared port on the frontside. In the center there is a very narrow throat, between backside and front. Right at the throat, there is a perpendicular port coming up from the vessel that we want to have at vacuum. Steam, at about 150 psi gauge, is connected to the back port. The steam, by its own pressure, will advance forward into the steam ejector. The constricting geometry of the steam ejector throat causes the steam to trade its static pressure for momentum forward into the throat. The expanding frontside further "incourages" the steam to be a high speed jet coming out of the throat. The steam velocity is very high and the static pressure at the throat is only about 4.3 psi absolute. When the steam enters the atmosphere, which is 14.7 psi absolute, it dissipates and returns to 14.7 psi absolute. At time zero, the pressure in our vessel is 14.7 psi absolute. When steam is activated, the air will be drawn out of the vessel until the vessel pressure is 4.3 psi absolute. Even though the steam steam continues on for hours, days, etc, the pressure in the vessel will not go below 4.3 psi absolute. The fact is that the steam jet does not suck air out of the vessel. It simply provides a static pressure of 4.3 psi absolute at the vessel port that connects to the steam ejector throat. At time zero, at 14.7 psia, there is a pressure difference between the vessel and the throat. The air pushes its way out of the vessel until there is no pressure difference. Then it stops. When air molecules are advancing into the steam ejector throat, they are pushed by high velocity steam molecules, out into the atmosphere. Theoretically, one could use a very high pressure steam and very small ejector throat to set up a static pressure extremely close to zero. However, in reality, the super high pressure steam and its velocity would quickly erode the metal that makes the throat.
So, I am going with the idea that an attractive force can always be explained by pushing force and geometry. Then, I am going with the fact that molecules and chemical bonds have definite geometry. I take the leap that the nucleus and the proton will have definite geometry. Experiments have shown that the proton is asymetric. If so, you can build all elements and finally a solar system, from asymetric protons (with the help of elysons and gravitons).
If I am wrong, then you can all breathe a sigh of relief.
Gregg Wilson
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19 years 4 months ago #13542
by Messiah
Replied by Messiah on topic Reply from Jack McNally
When one thing comes into contact with another, change occurs. Each of the things seems to adjust its state to compensate for the condition of the other - i.e. if a cold body comes into contact with a warm body, the cold body warms and the warm body cools.
Space is sparce. Matter is dense. What happens if space and matter come into contact with each other. Does the material object rarify and does space solidify? Is this the 'warping' of space predicted by Einstein?
Space is sparce. Matter is dense. What happens if space and matter come into contact with each other. Does the material object rarify and does space solidify? Is this the 'warping' of space predicted by Einstein?
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