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18 years 10 months ago #14479
by Tommy
Replied by Tommy on topic Reply from Thomas Mandel
Stating my conclusions...
If someone tells you that he knows what electricity is, either he doesn't know what he is talking about, or if he is a scientist he is lying to you. Maxwell's equations are the means that electricity is understood mathematically, and they are incomplete minus the 20 quaternions that Heaviside et al simplified out which would show a way, via the displacement currents, to the Inside of Space.
Meanwhile everyone can see what electricity can do. I would like to take a crack at explaining plasma. I may not have been an electrical engineer, but I was an electronic technician.
Plasma is the glowing gas in a neon light. Strictly speaking, gas is not a plasma. Gas is made of molecules or atoms, plasma is made os separated atoms, electrons and protons. So when we look at a neon light, we are seeing plasma. And if you think about it, what we are seeing is what the atom sees, we are seeing the inside of atoms.
When you drive to work in your car, you are being powered by plams - the spark that jumps across the spark plug gap. Electric current flow outside a conductor.
Plasma is the flow of electrical currents outside a conductor.
The voltage being fed to the spark plug of your car comes from the secondary of a coil which has multiplied the 12VDC of the battery to 45.000 Volts. It did this with a magnetic field that was produced by the primary windings. But there is a trick involved.
I am telling you this story, because we can see the same trick on a cosmological scale - in our Sun. Our Sun has produced an anomaly. The temperature of the coronosphere is hotter than the photosphere. The atmosphere of the Sun is hotter than the surface. This is in violation of the second law and is inexplicable in terms of the standard theory.
Let's go back to your car. When the current through the primary coil from the 12VDC battery that produced a magnetic field is suddenly interrupted and stopped, this is what the distributor points do. the magnetic field collaspes. It is this sollaspe of the field through the secondary windings that produces the 40,000 Volts which then continues across the plug gap as a spark.
Now back to the Sun. THe Sun is known to have huge magnetic fields and huge currents. These currents and fields can be easily seen forming huge horseshoe like solar flares.
And here is my theory explaining the anomaly of the stars.
A solar flare is actually a large current flow. This is clear in the photographs. The current flow produces a corresponding magnetic field. Now picture the solar flare loop breaking at the tip. This stops the current flow. The magnetic field collaspes, which then induces a new current flow which has nowhere to go but out into space.
(I think this is happening on a smaller scale right at the surface of the Sun. Trillions and trillions of micro plasma current flows and magnetic fields breaking and out comes hot light.)
If someone tells you that he knows what electricity is, either he doesn't know what he is talking about, or if he is a scientist he is lying to you. Maxwell's equations are the means that electricity is understood mathematically, and they are incomplete minus the 20 quaternions that Heaviside et al simplified out which would show a way, via the displacement currents, to the Inside of Space.
Meanwhile everyone can see what electricity can do. I would like to take a crack at explaining plasma. I may not have been an electrical engineer, but I was an electronic technician.
Plasma is the glowing gas in a neon light. Strictly speaking, gas is not a plasma. Gas is made of molecules or atoms, plasma is made os separated atoms, electrons and protons. So when we look at a neon light, we are seeing plasma. And if you think about it, what we are seeing is what the atom sees, we are seeing the inside of atoms.
When you drive to work in your car, you are being powered by plams - the spark that jumps across the spark plug gap. Electric current flow outside a conductor.
Plasma is the flow of electrical currents outside a conductor.
The voltage being fed to the spark plug of your car comes from the secondary of a coil which has multiplied the 12VDC of the battery to 45.000 Volts. It did this with a magnetic field that was produced by the primary windings. But there is a trick involved.
I am telling you this story, because we can see the same trick on a cosmological scale - in our Sun. Our Sun has produced an anomaly. The temperature of the coronosphere is hotter than the photosphere. The atmosphere of the Sun is hotter than the surface. This is in violation of the second law and is inexplicable in terms of the standard theory.
Let's go back to your car. When the current through the primary coil from the 12VDC battery that produced a magnetic field is suddenly interrupted and stopped, this is what the distributor points do. the magnetic field collaspes. It is this sollaspe of the field through the secondary windings that produces the 40,000 Volts which then continues across the plug gap as a spark.
Now back to the Sun. THe Sun is known to have huge magnetic fields and huge currents. These currents and fields can be easily seen forming huge horseshoe like solar flares.
And here is my theory explaining the anomaly of the stars.
A solar flare is actually a large current flow. This is clear in the photographs. The current flow produces a corresponding magnetic field. Now picture the solar flare loop breaking at the tip. This stops the current flow. The magnetic field collaspes, which then induces a new current flow which has nowhere to go but out into space.
(I think this is happening on a smaller scale right at the surface of the Sun. Trillions and trillions of micro plasma current flows and magnetic fields breaking and out comes hot light.)
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18 years 10 months ago #16845
by jrich
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />Tommy,
I think I'm going to start deleting posts like the ones just above.
If you want to post a comparison of Plasma vs Meta Model cosmologies, I'm sure won't object. If you want to post a comparison of Big Bang vs Meta Model cosmologies, that is also fine.
But a comparison of <something other than Meta Model> vs <something-ELSE other than Meta Model> just isn't the sort of thing that we relish. Certainly not in the volume that you seem interested in.
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Comments about this proposed course of action (from you in particular, but also from others) are solicited. If you think this is not "fair", I'd like to know why.
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<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Larry, I'm inclined to agree with you. Perhaps you could next turn your attention to forums such as "Who's on Mars?".
<br />Tommy,
I think I'm going to start deleting posts like the ones just above.
If you want to post a comparison of Plasma vs Meta Model cosmologies, I'm sure won't object. If you want to post a comparison of Big Bang vs Meta Model cosmologies, that is also fine.
But a comparison of <something other than Meta Model> vs <something-ELSE other than Meta Model> just isn't the sort of thing that we relish. Certainly not in the volume that you seem interested in.
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Comments about this proposed course of action (from you in particular, but also from others) are solicited. If you think this is not "fair", I'd like to know why.
LB
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Larry, I'm inclined to agree with you. Perhaps you could next turn your attention to forums such as "Who's on Mars?".
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18 years 10 months ago #17219
by Tommy
Replied by Tommy on topic Reply from Thomas Mandel
<large amount of cut-and-paste, most if not all of TVF's article about problems with the Big Bang, deleted by moderator LB>
found at
This concludes
<center>THE BIG BLACK BANG
A summary of the other direction
Tommy Mandel, Editor
www.fixall.org
found at
This concludes
<center>THE BIG BLACK BANG
A summary of the other direction
Tommy Mandel, Editor
www.fixall.org
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18 years 10 months ago #16846
by Larry Burford
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Tommy,
If you want to post a review of a book or an article, I'm not usually going to object. But posting the whole book is a bit much. We can read the book, and might if you say something about it in your review that is interesting.
We are not an anti Big Bang site, but we do think BB is wrong. Rather than being just another of the many sites that rail against BB, we want to rail in favor of a particular alternative.
You seem to favor a different particular alternative, Plasma colmology. I've heard some good things about it. If you were to post some comparisons between your favorite and our favorite, we might get some interesting discussions going. But comparing your favorite to BB is a bore. Since EVERYTHING is better than BB it comes as no surprise to us that PC might also be better than BB. Yawn.
But is PC better than MM? An attempt to show that it is would be welcome. Please consider giving it a try.
LB
If you want to post a review of a book or an article, I'm not usually going to object. But posting the whole book is a bit much. We can read the book, and might if you say something about it in your review that is interesting.
We are not an anti Big Bang site, but we do think BB is wrong. Rather than being just another of the many sites that rail against BB, we want to rail in favor of a particular alternative.
You seem to favor a different particular alternative, Plasma colmology. I've heard some good things about it. If you were to post some comparisons between your favorite and our favorite, we might get some interesting discussions going. But comparing your favorite to BB is a bore. Since EVERYTHING is better than BB it comes as no surprise to us that PC might also be better than BB. Yawn.
But is PC better than MM? An attempt to show that it is would be welcome. Please consider giving it a try.
LB
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18 years 10 months ago #16847
by Tommy
Replied by Tommy on topic Reply from Thomas Mandel
To whom it may concern...
Have you ever attended a scientific conference? Have you ever requested/reviewed/organized the various papers presented at a conference? There is a purpose/advantage for scientists to spend money and time to travel to a conference. A conference has the unique advantage of being able to present all the various views, all the specialist views. Together in one place.
There was a conference on alternative cosmology, forgot when and where, not in America...One point was raised that not all of the participants know all the science involved. This is very common among specialists. Interestingly, the section devoted to a review of the field was conducted by Tom.
Another advantage of a conference is that one gets the information first hand, right from the speakers mouth. This is significant, because if one goes to the authors of the Black hole concept, one finds that they acknowledge it is only an assumption being made due to the lack of an alternative. Proga, who studies accretion disk flows, places a 48 pt red/bold letters of the word "ASSUMED" on top of the first statement that black holes cause the outflows.
It is not a case of coming up with a favorite or preferred theory, the Universe does not, contrary to popular views, organize by means of victory of one over the other. Competition is a trait of losers. The Universe, as realized long ago in fields other than cosmology works by working together. This is called organicismic systemics So any cosmology, even MM, and I still do not know what that means in the cosmology sense - the beginning of the Universe -- will be required to have elements of plasma theory in it, as well as laser effects. The next theory will even have gravity in it.
The Big Bang theorists are united in their cause. They achieved their results not by being correct but, ironically, because they work together. But the Alternative Cosmology is split up all over the place.
I am but an amateur, it is time for a professional to rise to the occasion. The level of technical expertise
required to understand the Alternative cosmology is elementary AND it is in accord with prior research. It's just that one has to have a grasp of the whole picture before our knowledge can go beyond the pieces of the puzzle.
It is not a matter of waiting for a favorite theory, we already know all too well what happens when that is logical basis of thinking.
Not to move off topic, after all, Einstein's Relativity theory does mean "everything is related", when considering cosmology as the study of stars, and knowing our Sun is a star, and acknowledging that the Sun is a ball of plasma, we are confronted today with thousands of anolmaies involving "balls of Light" which when described a;sp appear to be balls of plasma. The inexplicable crop circles are often seen being created by these Balls of Light. The egnigmatic UFO's are also often if not always described in terms of balls of light. Because plasma is scalable, these balls of light can be described as micro-Suns. The Sun is a micro Universe. So in one sense, the study of the Universe is a study of balls of plasma.
Have you ever attended a scientific conference? Have you ever requested/reviewed/organized the various papers presented at a conference? There is a purpose/advantage for scientists to spend money and time to travel to a conference. A conference has the unique advantage of being able to present all the various views, all the specialist views. Together in one place.
There was a conference on alternative cosmology, forgot when and where, not in America...One point was raised that not all of the participants know all the science involved. This is very common among specialists. Interestingly, the section devoted to a review of the field was conducted by Tom.
Another advantage of a conference is that one gets the information first hand, right from the speakers mouth. This is significant, because if one goes to the authors of the Black hole concept, one finds that they acknowledge it is only an assumption being made due to the lack of an alternative. Proga, who studies accretion disk flows, places a 48 pt red/bold letters of the word "ASSUMED" on top of the first statement that black holes cause the outflows.
It is not a case of coming up with a favorite or preferred theory, the Universe does not, contrary to popular views, organize by means of victory of one over the other. Competition is a trait of losers. The Universe, as realized long ago in fields other than cosmology works by working together. This is called organicismic systemics So any cosmology, even MM, and I still do not know what that means in the cosmology sense - the beginning of the Universe -- will be required to have elements of plasma theory in it, as well as laser effects. The next theory will even have gravity in it.
The Big Bang theorists are united in their cause. They achieved their results not by being correct but, ironically, because they work together. But the Alternative Cosmology is split up all over the place.
I am but an amateur, it is time for a professional to rise to the occasion. The level of technical expertise
required to understand the Alternative cosmology is elementary AND it is in accord with prior research. It's just that one has to have a grasp of the whole picture before our knowledge can go beyond the pieces of the puzzle.
It is not a matter of waiting for a favorite theory, we already know all too well what happens when that is logical basis of thinking.
Not to move off topic, after all, Einstein's Relativity theory does mean "everything is related", when considering cosmology as the study of stars, and knowing our Sun is a star, and acknowledging that the Sun is a ball of plasma, we are confronted today with thousands of anolmaies involving "balls of Light" which when described a;sp appear to be balls of plasma. The inexplicable crop circles are often seen being created by these Balls of Light. The egnigmatic UFO's are also often if not always described in terms of balls of light. Because plasma is scalable, these balls of light can be described as micro-Suns. The Sun is a micro Universe. So in one sense, the study of the Universe is a study of balls of plasma.
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18 years 10 months ago #16906
by Larry Burford
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[Tommy] " ... any cosmology, even MM, and I still do not know what that means in the cosmology sense - the beginning of the Universe -- will be required to have elements of plasma theory in it, as well as laser effects."
If you don't know anything about MM, how do you know it doesn't have elements of plasma theory in it? This is precisely why we would like to see a comparison of PC and MM. PC is your heart throb, so why don't you show us what it can do against some real competition?
(Competition actually is a trait of loosers. It is also a trait of winners and of also-rans. Cooperation can also be described this way. We move forward by applying a varying mixture of the two to any given problem.)
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[Tommy] "The next theory will even have gravity in it."
Sigh.
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Even (especially?) amateurs can contribute. Don't sell yourself short just yet.
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If you don't know anything about MM, how do you know it doesn't have elements of plasma theory in it? This is precisely why we would like to see a comparison of PC and MM. PC is your heart throb, so why don't you show us what it can do against some real competition?
(Competition actually is a trait of loosers. It is also a trait of winners and of also-rans. Cooperation can also be described this way. We move forward by applying a varying mixture of the two to any given problem.)
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[Tommy] "The next theory will even have gravity in it."
Sigh.
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Even (especially?) amateurs can contribute. Don't sell yourself short just yet.
LB
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