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17 years 7 months ago #16764
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by davidjinks</i>
<br />Any comment on the NGC 5011C near-versus-far debate? See arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0701280 , for example.
I am currently blocked from reading anything in arXix. Their robot says it is a problem with my ISP's domain, not personal to me. I'm making further inquiries.
In the meantime, I'd be grateful if you would send me a copy of the article, or at least the abstract. PDF format is preferred. -|Tom|-
<br />Any comment on the NGC 5011C near-versus-far debate? See arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0701280 , for example.
I am currently blocked from reading anything in arXix. Their robot says it is a problem with my ISP's domain, not personal to me. I'm making further inquiries.
In the meantime, I'd be grateful if you would send me a copy of the article, or at least the abstract. PDF format is preferred. -|Tom|-
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17 years 7 months ago #16563
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Sorry, Tom. You may have already figured it out that it may have been that darned comma at the end of the link. The correct link is:
arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0701280
There are lots of stories on this paper popping up on space related sites, such as:
www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-03/eso-tgt030707.php
www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=5263
I just wondered if this is something you or Arp had looked at previously. I can certainly send a pdf file, though I suspect you've tracked it down by now.
"Hanky panky" was probably not to appropriate term to use, as it implies impropriety. I simply meant is this another effort to patch the crumbling redshift-as-distance model.
Dave
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by davidjinks</i>
<br />Any comment on the NGC 5011C near-versus-far debate? See arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0701280 , for example.
I am currently blocked from reading anything in arXix. Their robot says it is a problem with my ISP's domain, not personal to me. I'm making further inquiries.
In the meantime, I'd be grateful if you would send me a copy of the article, or at least the abstract. PDF format is preferred. -|Tom|-
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arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0701280
There are lots of stories on this paper popping up on space related sites, such as:
www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-03/eso-tgt030707.php
www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=5263
I just wondered if this is something you or Arp had looked at previously. I can certainly send a pdf file, though I suspect you've tracked it down by now.
"Hanky panky" was probably not to appropriate term to use, as it implies impropriety. I simply meant is this another effort to patch the crumbling redshift-as-distance model.
Dave
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by davidjinks</i>
<br />Any comment on the NGC 5011C near-versus-far debate? See arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0701280 , for example.
I am currently blocked from reading anything in arXix. Their robot says it is a problem with my ISP's domain, not personal to me. I'm making further inquiries.
In the meantime, I'd be grateful if you would send me a copy of the article, or at least the abstract. PDF format is preferred. -|Tom|-
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17 years 7 months ago #16564
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by davidjinks</i>
<br />is this another effort to patch the crumbling redshift-as-distance model.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It looks to me like a simple case of not measuring redshifts of all members of an apparent cluster to see if they are all true members.
Of course, those of use who don't trust redshift as a distance indicator also don't trust the implications of this result. But that's another matter. This finding won't budge the prevailing redshift paradigm. It is just one more small reason to suspect it. -|Tom|-
<br />is this another effort to patch the crumbling redshift-as-distance model.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It looks to me like a simple case of not measuring redshifts of all members of an apparent cluster to see if they are all true members.
Of course, those of use who don't trust redshift as a distance indicator also don't trust the implications of this result. But that's another matter. This finding won't budge the prevailing redshift paradigm. It is just one more small reason to suspect it. -|Tom|-
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