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21 years 8 months ago #5065
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>With the Ligo detector now working, are there any testable predictions about future observations that the Meta theory would put forward that differ from the "normal" expectations?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
None I can think of. Meta Model has a complete model for gravitation, but "gravitational waves" are apparently part of the electromagnetic spectrum (i.e., very-long-wavelength "light waves"), and have nothing to do with ordinary gravitational force.
Some preliminary results are to be reported in April. It will be amazing if anything is seen. But the universe is filled with strange objects. -|Tom|-
None I can think of. Meta Model has a complete model for gravitation, but "gravitational waves" are apparently part of the electromagnetic spectrum (i.e., very-long-wavelength "light waves"), and have nothing to do with ordinary gravitational force.
Some preliminary results are to be reported in April. It will be amazing if anything is seen. But the universe is filled with strange objects. -|Tom|-
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21 years 8 months ago #5071
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Just out of curiosity, these very-long-wavelength, are they even longer than radio waves (in wavelength)? Are they then electromagnetic in nature (if you call then 'light waves')?
If they are would'nt it be possible to artificially create such very long wavelength electromanetic waves?
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If they are would'nt it be possible to artificially create such very long wavelength electromanetic waves?
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21 years 8 months ago #5050
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Just out of curiosity, these very-long-wavelength, are they even longer than radio waves (in wavelength)?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Yes. For example, gravitational waves generated by the Earth would have a wavelength of one lightyear.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Are they then electromagnetic in nature (if you call then 'light waves')?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Under Meta Model premises, they are light waves, period. Under GR & QM premises, they are "spin 2" quantum entities. There is not much practical difference.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>If they are would'nt it be possible to artificially create such very long wavelength electromagnetic waves?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Sure. They are all around us. But detecting them is another matter. Even LIGO is unlikely to detect anything short of a supernova blast. -|Tom|-
Yes. For example, gravitational waves generated by the Earth would have a wavelength of one lightyear.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Are they then electromagnetic in nature (if you call then 'light waves')?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Under Meta Model premises, they are light waves, period. Under GR & QM premises, they are "spin 2" quantum entities. There is not much practical difference.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>If they are would'nt it be possible to artificially create such very long wavelength electromagnetic waves?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Sure. They are all around us. But detecting them is another matter. Even LIGO is unlikely to detect anything short of a supernova blast. -|Tom|-
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21 years 8 months ago #5123
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It doesnt matter how sophisticated the imagery system is, the only tainting element in the Ligo are those who read the data. Disturbances at the tolerances stated in the article have a margin of error greater than the diameter of the measured phenomena. The researchers will claim that the disturbances seen support BB and that evidence of grav waves exists. - MV
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21 years 8 months ago #5072
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The LIGO is doomed to detect *something*. There exists an apparent anisotropy/variability of the G, I see no way it doesn't show in the LIGO data since they intend to interpret any variable anisotropy in gravity as gravitational radiation.
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21 years 8 months ago #5073
by Larry Burford
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I wonder if LIGO could be "spoofed" by charging a (long?) wire using a sine wave with a one year period? It might take a substantial voltage, but no real current.
Or a one month period, to simulate a mass with a smaller orbit? Do they use any frequency sensitive filters? "Long period" radio signals are known to pass through the earth and the oceans. A "Really Long Period" transmitter could be just about anywhere.
The shorter the period, the sooner they might claim detection. Then we could start modulating it (te-he). "1, 4, 9, ...". It would take a very long time to set up the joke. Oh well.
Regards,
LB
Or a one month period, to simulate a mass with a smaller orbit? Do they use any frequency sensitive filters? "Long period" radio signals are known to pass through the earth and the oceans. A "Really Long Period" transmitter could be just about anywhere.
The shorter the period, the sooner they might claim detection. Then we could start modulating it (te-he). "1, 4, 9, ...". It would take a very long time to set up the joke. Oh well.
Regards,
LB
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