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quantum gravity replication theory
13 years 5 months ago #21210
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
Hi Marx, I think you should say angular velocity, rather than spin velocity here, as it can cause confusion.
Let's collapse an electron down so that its radius is the Planck radius. Ball park figures I get a mass increase to the classic Planck mass of 2.176E-8 kg. however this assumes that the mass increases rather than just the density. It also assumes that the angular momentum stays constant.
If the mass and angular momentum stay constant then an electron could have a core at about
1.615E-35 metres radius with an angular velocity much faster than light.
My guess I that we are talking about something with the radius, lambda = (a * hbar / m * v)
"a" being the fine structure constant and m being the neutron mass.
This would mean that as the speed of light fell from infinity, leaving the speed of gravity at about 2.9193E 25 metres per second, it created electrons when light speed was about 1E 30 metres per second and protons/neutrons closer to the current speed of gravity. The condensation process would have been extremely rapid in that case but it's now almost a flat line.
Let's collapse an electron down so that its radius is the Planck radius. Ball park figures I get a mass increase to the classic Planck mass of 2.176E-8 kg. however this assumes that the mass increases rather than just the density. It also assumes that the angular momentum stays constant.
If the mass and angular momentum stay constant then an electron could have a core at about
1.615E-35 metres radius with an angular velocity much faster than light.
My guess I that we are talking about something with the radius, lambda = (a * hbar / m * v)
"a" being the fine structure constant and m being the neutron mass.
This would mean that as the speed of light fell from infinity, leaving the speed of gravity at about 2.9193E 25 metres per second, it created electrons when light speed was about 1E 30 metres per second and protons/neutrons closer to the current speed of gravity. The condensation process would have been extremely rapid in that case but it's now almost a flat line.
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13 years 5 months ago #21212
by evolivid
Replied by evolivid on topic Reply from Mark Baker
angular velocity = [time]^(-1) [angle]
electric flux/magnetic flux = [length] [time]^(-1) = velocity
electric flux = [mass] [length]^3 [time]^(-3) [current]^(-1)
magnetic flux = [mass] [length]^2 [time]^(-2) [current]^(-1)
Im calling the spin velocity the (electric flux/magnetic flux )
and so It looks like I might be wrong here
that means that the spin would equal [frequency]*[angle]
[angle] = 2*Pi
so the speed of the electron is based on the [electric flux] and the the [magnetic flux]
and the spin or rotation based on the [frequency] and [angle]
I thought that the spin is based on the electric flux/magnetic flux ...
and your saying that [Lambda] = [fine structure] * reduced planck constant / [mass] * [velocity]
[Lambda] = [volume] = [Length]^3 as well which is in cubed form ?
so wouldn't [Lambda] = radius cubed ???
Did you get the software I built Stoat it should work on any platform ?
I will do some more work on the m being the neutron mass thing tomarrow
MARX
electric flux/magnetic flux = [length] [time]^(-1) = velocity
electric flux = [mass] [length]^3 [time]^(-3) [current]^(-1)
magnetic flux = [mass] [length]^2 [time]^(-2) [current]^(-1)
Im calling the spin velocity the (electric flux/magnetic flux )
and so It looks like I might be wrong here
that means that the spin would equal [frequency]*[angle]
[angle] = 2*Pi
so the speed of the electron is based on the [electric flux] and the the [magnetic flux]
and the spin or rotation based on the [frequency] and [angle]
I thought that the spin is based on the electric flux/magnetic flux ...
and your saying that [Lambda] = [fine structure] * reduced planck constant / [mass] * [velocity]
[Lambda] = [volume] = [Length]^3 as well which is in cubed form ?
so wouldn't [Lambda] = radius cubed ???
Did you get the software I built Stoat it should work on any platform ?
I will do some more work on the m being the neutron mass thing tomarrow
MARX
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13 years 5 months ago #21213
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
Hi Marx, why I mentioned the word confusion; the classical equation for angular momentum is
lambda = m*v*r So let's put in in the values h = mass of electron * the speed of light * r to give us the Compton wavelength of about 2.4E-12 metres. Here c is the angular frequency, which in popular usage people call "spin". However quantum mechanics has grabbed the term spin velocity, so you have to be careful with the usage of terms. it's more to do with etiquette than anything else. As spin is such a useful word, just use it in quotation marks.
lambda = m*v*r So let's put in in the values h = mass of electron * the speed of light * r to give us the Compton wavelength of about 2.4E-12 metres. Here c is the angular frequency, which in popular usage people call "spin". However quantum mechanics has grabbed the term spin velocity, so you have to be careful with the usage of terms. it's more to do with etiquette than anything else. As spin is such a useful word, just use it in quotation marks.
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13 years 5 months ago #24130
by evolivid
Replied by evolivid on topic Reply from Mark Baker
Hi Stoat
I have been looking at the "spin" and the interesting thing is that
it's dimensions are [time]-1 * [angle] so this shows just the rotations
per second not the amount of length covered since velocity is [length]*[time]-1
that would mean that the "spin velocity" would include [length]*[time]-1*
and we want to see how many "meters" the particle rotates in a second
and that would be in [length]*[time]-1 what do you think about that ???
circumference = Pi* diameter
so "spin" in logical terms of "velocity" is
[radius*2*Pi]*[time-1] = "spin velocity"
this makes the electrons "spin velocity"
Spin Velocity = 941,825,783.9166521
which means it is spinning faster then the speed of light...
this might have somthing to do with the speed of a gravity wave
in that the gravitational force is stronger closer to the particle
then farther away...
I think that is showing mathematiclly that the "photon+photon and phonon" can gain mass if they are moving faster then the speed of light!!!!
showing that electrons might come into exsistance when
2 photons and a phonon collide at a debroglie frequency
which means using a 2 lasers and a maser this might be able to be teasted
And would work inside the Realitivity frame work.
electron = photon + photon + phonon
positron = phonon + phonon + photon
neutrino = photon + phonon
MARX
I have been looking at the "spin" and the interesting thing is that
it's dimensions are [time]-1 * [angle] so this shows just the rotations
per second not the amount of length covered since velocity is [length]*[time]-1
that would mean that the "spin velocity" would include [length]*[time]-1*
and we want to see how many "meters" the particle rotates in a second
and that would be in [length]*[time]-1 what do you think about that ???
circumference = Pi* diameter
so "spin" in logical terms of "velocity" is
[radius*2*Pi]*[time-1] = "spin velocity"
this makes the electrons "spin velocity"
Spin Velocity = 941,825,783.9166521
which means it is spinning faster then the speed of light...
this might have somthing to do with the speed of a gravity wave
in that the gravitational force is stronger closer to the particle
then farther away...
I think that is showing mathematiclly that the "photon+photon and phonon" can gain mass if they are moving faster then the speed of light!!!!
showing that electrons might come into exsistance when
2 photons and a phonon collide at a debroglie frequency
which means using a 2 lasers and a maser this might be able to be teasted
And would work inside the Realitivity frame work.
electron = photon + photon + phonon
positron = phonon + phonon + photon
neutrino = photon + phonon
MARX
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13 years 5 months ago #21220
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
Let's look at the electron, h = 9.11E-31 * 2.9979E 8 * (2pi * 2.4E-12) Divide by 2pi to give us hbar = mcr We're talking about radians, when we want to look at the angular velocity round a proton we have to stick in the fine structure constant, as that velocity is 137th of the speed of light.
What I've been looking at just lately in another thread is the idea of the extra galactic speed of light being 3.29E 8 metres per second. It would mean that the radius of an electron in extra galactic space would be smaller. Now I think that this fits into Kanarev's toroidal model of the electron. With that, radius R is 2.4E-12 but the radius that the charge spirals round is 11/12 twelfths of that.
I'm also taking another look at Robert Carroll's model of the proton and neutron. He proposed a toroid made up of odd or even number toroidal electrons and positrons. I just recently saw a picture of a galactic supercluster where a great circle had been drawn to show galaxies lined up axis to axis round it. That got me thinking about a loxodrome. This is a spiral on a spherical object. Best to think of the electron with this first. The toroidal electron moves along its axis, it's a little gyroscope. Now let's tilt the toroid by say three degrees. The charge will describe a loxodrome curve. it would describe this onto the near sphere of its own magnetic field, it cuts flux then. Now it would be wrong to think of the charge moving round this sphere ut of the sphere moving round the charge.
What I've been looking at just lately in another thread is the idea of the extra galactic speed of light being 3.29E 8 metres per second. It would mean that the radius of an electron in extra galactic space would be smaller. Now I think that this fits into Kanarev's toroidal model of the electron. With that, radius R is 2.4E-12 but the radius that the charge spirals round is 11/12 twelfths of that.
I'm also taking another look at Robert Carroll's model of the proton and neutron. He proposed a toroid made up of odd or even number toroidal electrons and positrons. I just recently saw a picture of a galactic supercluster where a great circle had been drawn to show galaxies lined up axis to axis round it. That got me thinking about a loxodrome. This is a spiral on a spherical object. Best to think of the electron with this first. The toroidal electron moves along its axis, it's a little gyroscope. Now let's tilt the toroid by say three degrees. The charge will describe a loxodrome curve. it would describe this onto the near sphere of its own magnetic field, it cuts flux then. Now it would be wrong to think of the charge moving round this sphere ut of the sphere moving round the charge.
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13 years 5 months ago #24132
by evolivid
Replied by evolivid on topic Reply from Mark Baker
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by evolivid</i>
<br />I have been doing some more work on the neutron decay
and I found that the
( proton mass - neutron mass ) = 2.5 electron masses
which would show what I have been talking about in the
MASS REDUCTION EQUATION in that the middle
e (p) e
(p) is the reduced mass particle
but as Larry said that he mass is allways changing
so now I really have to look at the most mass the
proton can gain and the least amount of mass
which would say the most amount of mass is 3.34496e-27
and the least would be 8.36311x10^-28
the rest mass is 1.672622e-27
the least is represented by the protons reduced mass
the most is represente by the idea of proton mass 1.672622 / 2214 = 7.554753e-31 electron masses
or from another point of view gleamed from the proton / neutron = 2.5 electron masses
738 = up quark
738 = up quark
738 = down quark = reduced quark
then here all the particles in the down quark are reduced
looking at the most mass a proton can have we look at
3672 electron masses reduced in a proton at rest
then we expand that reduce mass to
3672 * electron mass = 3.34496e-27
MARX
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MARX
<br />I have been doing some more work on the neutron decay
and I found that the
( proton mass - neutron mass ) = 2.5 electron masses
which would show what I have been talking about in the
MASS REDUCTION EQUATION in that the middle
e (p) e
(p) is the reduced mass particle
but as Larry said that he mass is allways changing
so now I really have to look at the most mass the
proton can gain and the least amount of mass
which would say the most amount of mass is 3.34496e-27
and the least would be 8.36311x10^-28
the rest mass is 1.672622e-27
the least is represented by the protons reduced mass
the most is represente by the idea of proton mass 1.672622 / 2214 = 7.554753e-31 electron masses
or from another point of view gleamed from the proton / neutron = 2.5 electron masses
738 = up quark
738 = up quark
738 = down quark = reduced quark
then here all the particles in the down quark are reduced
looking at the most mass a proton can have we look at
3672 electron masses reduced in a proton at rest
then we expand that reduce mass to
3672 * electron mass = 3.34496e-27
MARX
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MARX
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