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Ether & the Hafele-Keating Experiment
19 years 9 months ago #12173
by Jim
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Wisp, The Hafele and Keating paper has been worked over pretty good by a guy in Ireland. He says it is total nonsense that this paper is accepted as valid and after reading his paper I agree the result that was accepted as data is nothing more than hot air-bogus. The atomic clocks never showed any effect from the plane ride and the result was made by massageing the results. You should read the paper the Irish guy wrote-its very informative.
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19 years 9 months ago #12550
by DAVID
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Hi, Jim, that’s why I said, “if the Hafele-Keating numbers are correct”. They should have known that Einstein’s SR clocks always “slowed down” whenever they moved relatively, in either direction. They never speeded up in the SR theory. However, the clock print-outs of the H-K experiment did show a speed up in the Westbound group of clocks. A copy of the graph was published in one of their papers. People like Hafele-Keating have been trying to claim – falsely – for the past hundred years that their experiments “prove” the SR theory was correct. But many other people have found flaws in their so-called “proofs”. Unfortunately, the H-K results were taught in universities for years as “proof” of the SR theory.
I would like to know the name of the guy from Ireland and his paper title. I’d like to read it. Do you have his name?
I would like to know the name of the guy from Ireland and his paper title. I’d like to read it. Do you have his name?
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19 years 9 months ago #12174
by DAVID
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Jim, wisp, have you read Herbert Dingle’s book, “Science at the Crossroads”?
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19 years 9 months ago #12175
by Jim
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Hi David, I have the name of the Irish guy somewhere and his peper too. I'll find it and get back to you. He is in Dublin I think.
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19 years 9 months ago #12207
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19 years 9 months ago #12553
by wisp
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Tom
Am I correct in assuming the GPS satellites move in orbits inclined at 55 degrees to the equator, and their rotation axis stays fixed with respect to background stars?
If this is the case then as well as the expected time dilation effects the following tiny sidereal fluctuation combination are possible between equator clocks and GPS satellite clocks.
The angle (radians) the ether makes with earth’s rotation axis is theta.
The clock sidereal fluctuations in +/-nS are:
Theta, Equator, GPS worst, GPS best
0
0.0
13
13
0.3 --- 0.6
15
11
0.4 --- 0.7
15
8
0.6 --- 1.0
16
6
0.8 --- 1.3
15
2
1.0 --- 1.6
15
1
1.2 --- 1.7
13
4
1.4 --- 1.8
11
7
1.5 --- 1.9
10
8
1.57 -- 1.9
9
9
As the satellites move into the ether flow their clocks run slower, and run faster when they move with the ether flow. If their orbital plane is perpendicular to the ether flow, then they will not experience the sidereal fluctuations.
I chose theta =0.4 as a best guess.
wisp
- particles of nothingness
Am I correct in assuming the GPS satellites move in orbits inclined at 55 degrees to the equator, and their rotation axis stays fixed with respect to background stars?
If this is the case then as well as the expected time dilation effects the following tiny sidereal fluctuation combination are possible between equator clocks and GPS satellite clocks.
The angle (radians) the ether makes with earth’s rotation axis is theta.
The clock sidereal fluctuations in +/-nS are:
Theta, Equator, GPS worst, GPS best
0
0.0
13
13
0.3 --- 0.6
15
11
0.4 --- 0.7
15
8
0.6 --- 1.0
16
6
0.8 --- 1.3
15
2
1.0 --- 1.6
15
1
1.2 --- 1.7
13
4
1.4 --- 1.8
11
7
1.5 --- 1.9
10
8
1.57 -- 1.9
9
9
As the satellites move into the ether flow their clocks run slower, and run faster when they move with the ether flow. If their orbital plane is perpendicular to the ether flow, then they will not experience the sidereal fluctuations.
I chose theta =0.4 as a best guess.
wisp
- particles of nothingness
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