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15 years 7 months ago #23724
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
Hi John, I thought I'd take a look at the capacitance of such a split ring electron.
C = 4pi epsilon' r (4pi epsilon equals 1 / 9E 9
now this is for a sphere but the difference in radius for a toroid and for a sphere is negligible (about 2.4E-12 v. 2.37E-12)
So we get a capacitance of 2.63E-22
Then we have C = (epsilon' *epsilon" * A) / d
epsilon" = the relative permittivity
d = the plate gap
A = the area of the plates
I think here we can say that the relative permittivity is going to be the same as the absolute permittivity. As I've already taken the plate gap to be equal to h. I can then work out the area of the plates. it comes in at 7.07E-34 sq metres (almost h). That's a radius of 2.65E-17 metres
Well, this is ball park stuff but it does look as though we are talking about something that looks like a tiny spherical capacitor of about h dimensions at the point of the split ring.
(Edited) I spotted a couple of stupid mistakes here, nothing to write home about though. Epsilon' should be the permittivity of free space and not the absolute permittivity.
The other is that we're not dealing with a tiny spherical capacitor but a capacitor that can replace the capacitance of the electron as spherical capacitor. The thing is so physically small that we could say that that is the dimensionless point electron.
C = 4pi epsilon' r (4pi epsilon equals 1 / 9E 9
now this is for a sphere but the difference in radius for a toroid and for a sphere is negligible (about 2.4E-12 v. 2.37E-12)
So we get a capacitance of 2.63E-22
Then we have C = (epsilon' *epsilon" * A) / d
epsilon" = the relative permittivity
d = the plate gap
A = the area of the plates
I think here we can say that the relative permittivity is going to be the same as the absolute permittivity. As I've already taken the plate gap to be equal to h. I can then work out the area of the plates. it comes in at 7.07E-34 sq metres (almost h). That's a radius of 2.65E-17 metres
Well, this is ball park stuff but it does look as though we are talking about something that looks like a tiny spherical capacitor of about h dimensions at the point of the split ring.
(Edited) I spotted a couple of stupid mistakes here, nothing to write home about though. Epsilon' should be the permittivity of free space and not the absolute permittivity.
The other is that we're not dealing with a tiny spherical capacitor but a capacitor that can replace the capacitance of the electron as spherical capacitor. The thing is so physically small that we could say that that is the dimensionless point electron.
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15 years 7 months ago #23582
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
I sent off an email to my physics guy about a possible experiment, as he's got a lab with all of the toys. Then I thought there might be someone here with a lab, and the experiment is not too expensive.
We need a thin degreased magnesium disk, or a coil of the stuff. A coil would give us a greater surface area but would need to be annealed at 290 C for about an hour. We then need a thin disk of bismuth, or we melt it and pour it into the magnesium coil.
The cheapest source for bismuth is in a fishing tackle shop, bismuth fishing line shot is non toxic.
An odd thing about bismuth, when it cools it expands. Our magnesium and bismuth will cling together, as the expansion contraction rates are fairly close. Now we dunk this two layer strip or disk into distilled water. The water will get in there because of capillary action. We haul it out and stick it into a freezer. The water will turn to ice and force the plates apart slightly, altering the capacitance. Solder two leads onto it and circuit test it with an oscilloscope.
We need a thin degreased magnesium disk, or a coil of the stuff. A coil would give us a greater surface area but would need to be annealed at 290 C for about an hour. We then need a thin disk of bismuth, or we melt it and pour it into the magnesium coil.
The cheapest source for bismuth is in a fishing tackle shop, bismuth fishing line shot is non toxic.
An odd thing about bismuth, when it cools it expands. Our magnesium and bismuth will cling together, as the expansion contraction rates are fairly close. Now we dunk this two layer strip or disk into distilled water. The water will get in there because of capillary action. We haul it out and stick it into a freezer. The water will turn to ice and force the plates apart slightly, altering the capacitance. Solder two leads onto it and circuit test it with an oscilloscope.
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15 years 7 months ago #22763
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
This might be something. An electron as the coil of a current transformer. We have a coil of ridiculously thin wire, its two ends having a gap of h. This is a step down transformer, so what's the voltage of the one turn primary that would run through our toroid?
It's going to e the frequency of the electron; its number of turns; times the the voltage of that tiny little capacitor, which will be 1.6E-19
That works out at 18.349 Volts but we have to multiply that by the reciprocal of the electron charge to give us the frequency once again but that's also the energy in joules. Once again we get the speed of gravity being much much faster than light. 1.128E 25 metres per second. or a much nicer way of putting it h = c^2 / b^2 where b is the speed of gravity.
It's going to e the frequency of the electron; its number of turns; times the the voltage of that tiny little capacitor, which will be 1.6E-19
That works out at 18.349 Volts but we have to multiply that by the reciprocal of the electron charge to give us the frequency once again but that's also the energy in joules. Once again we get the speed of gravity being much much faster than light. 1.128E 25 metres per second. or a much nicer way of putting it h = c^2 / b^2 where b is the speed of gravity.
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15 years 6 months ago #22773
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
A few more thoughts on the Magnesium Bismuth experiment before I forget. We'll have a disk shaped "capacitor" of two metals which have different stacking properties. The magnesium has a hexagonal structure, as does water in the ice configuration. Bismuth has a rhomboidal structure. As the two metals cool, mag contracts, bis expands, so we get the closest fit without a chemical bond.
Now Bismuth also is the most strongly diamagnetic of all the metals. So we get the Hall effect and the Peltier effect. In short put a voltage across the plates and the water between the plates will cool. the electrons in the Bismuth layer will rotate round the disk, that will drag the water round as well, which in turn will effect the electrons on the surface of the Magnesium. Water is also a protonic semiconductor.
If we made this we would need access to a radar gun. As this thing would be way too thick to allow measurements of visible light. So play drunk at the roadside, and then mug a policeman and steal his radar gun seems the optimal plan.
Now Bismuth also is the most strongly diamagnetic of all the metals. So we get the Hall effect and the Peltier effect. In short put a voltage across the plates and the water between the plates will cool. the electrons in the Bismuth layer will rotate round the disk, that will drag the water round as well, which in turn will effect the electrons on the surface of the Magnesium. Water is also a protonic semiconductor.
If we made this we would need access to a radar gun. As this thing would be way too thick to allow measurements of visible light. So play drunk at the roadside, and then mug a policeman and steal his radar gun seems the optimal plan.
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15 years 6 months ago #22778
by cosmicsurfer
Replied by cosmicsurfer on topic Reply from John Rickey
Hi Stoat, Maybe Bismuth cycles antigravitons and opposes the gravitomagnetic flow, whereas Magnesium is highly conductive and is used in a lot of H2O plasma field generators. Using permanent magnets with bismuth pushing the magnetic field could this cause motion and drive a generator? So, what do you think this devices field will look like? There should be a way to design a pump with no moving parts for generating a continuous current.
I want to explore the galactic gravitomagnetic field which most likely corkscrews off of the black holes forming solar systems and arms of galaxies. By taking a look at solar system and local group rotations, in which our solar system is inclined at 62 degree's to ecliptic looking towards center of milky way we should see how inward and outward flows are balanced with torsion gravitomagnetic FTL motion going on around solar system and inward graviton/outward antigraviton flows. I would suspect that most compression forming antimatter induction and reverse motion antimatter core and jet activity will also be located at the gravitomagnetic center of motion, do these toroidal motions memic the Rodin Coil? Are lines of force curved both ways in and out? Do gravitons flow through the center of these coils and get captured flowing around coils? This is complex with ecliptic inward graviton flow creating our visible forward time motion, while the hour glass antigraviton outward radiation above and below ecliptic operates way above light frequency and outside of our visible spectrum. Are these same principles at work at atomic levels, most likely all we can see is the effects of diamagnetic properties from this cycling taking place. John
I want to explore the galactic gravitomagnetic field which most likely corkscrews off of the black holes forming solar systems and arms of galaxies. By taking a look at solar system and local group rotations, in which our solar system is inclined at 62 degree's to ecliptic looking towards center of milky way we should see how inward and outward flows are balanced with torsion gravitomagnetic FTL motion going on around solar system and inward graviton/outward antigraviton flows. I would suspect that most compression forming antimatter induction and reverse motion antimatter core and jet activity will also be located at the gravitomagnetic center of motion, do these toroidal motions memic the Rodin Coil? Are lines of force curved both ways in and out? Do gravitons flow through the center of these coils and get captured flowing around coils? This is complex with ecliptic inward graviton flow creating our visible forward time motion, while the hour glass antigraviton outward radiation above and below ecliptic operates way above light frequency and outside of our visible spectrum. Are these same principles at work at atomic levels, most likely all we can see is the effects of diamagnetic properties from this cycling taking place. John
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15 years 6 months ago #22797
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
Hi John, I've thought of another thing that this thing could possibly do. Put a d.c. current through it and it will cool the water that's being used a dielectric. As it falls towards zero degrees F. it will expand, thereafter it expands slightly for each degree below zero. I think this might come in useful when we think about cassimer plates and zpe.
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