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17 years 7 months ago #19551
by Stoat
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Hi Joe, I just checked that I hadn't mixed up the images when I uploaded them to flickr.com They are in the right order, and I can't see how an automated telescope could mix up plates. Actually, setting up a computerised telescope makes it easier to calibrate. Errors could creep in when the telescope is looking close to the horizon, due to the weight of the beast but these plates should be okay. Four minutes error sounds way too much to me.
(Edited) We should have no problems if we compare plates made on the same telescope but perhaps Tom has come across the possible problems of trying to compare plates made on two telescopes.
Perhaps we could use a named star to get an idea of what the Bradford can see. Hip55890 is at
RA 11 27.277'
Dec -8 52.136'
RA proper motion -0.0472
Dec motion 0.0068
Magnitude 8.31
(Edited) We should have no problems if we compare plates made on the same telescope but perhaps Tom has come across the possible problems of trying to compare plates made on two telescopes.
Perhaps we could use a named star to get an idea of what the Bradford can see. Hip55890 is at
RA 11 27.277'
Dec -8 52.136'
RA proper motion -0.0472
Dec motion 0.0068
Magnitude 8.31
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17 years 7 months ago #16624
by nemesis
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My suggestion for a name for the planet would be Niflheim, the Norse name for the dark realm of cold, ice, and mist. This would also be in keeping with the mythological naming tradition.
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17 years 7 months ago #16777
by nonneta
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Just out of curiosity, how is this thread related to the thread title, which is "Requiem for Relativity"? Maybe the current discussion should be given its own thread with a more representative title.
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17 years 7 months ago #19552
by Larry Burford
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On line discussions are much like face to face discusions. The often move off on tangents that have a life of their own. You would have to go back and start from the beginning to see just how this particular one came into being.
We have a number of participants who use our resources for their own purposes. Without shame or embarassment, aparently. (Many of them are kooky, even to us.)
Some of them we cut off.
Some we don't.
Our reasons vary, but they are confidential.
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We make an occasional attempt to get them to tie their stuff (either as support or as refutation) into our stuff. Sometimes they try.
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As you can see, moderation is fairly loose here (but the rules are not especially objective, and are subject to change). The only thing that will always get you into trouble (right now) is shooting at a messenger. Off topic comments (our definition, not yours) are another.
Messages are always fair game.
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We have a number of participants who use our resources for their own purposes. Without shame or embarassment, aparently. (Many of them are kooky, even to us.)
Some of them we cut off.
Some we don't.
Our reasons vary, but they are confidential.
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We make an occasional attempt to get them to tie their stuff (either as support or as refutation) into our stuff. Sometimes they try.
===
As you can see, moderation is fairly loose here (but the rules are not especially objective, and are subject to change). The only thing that will always get you into trouble (right now) is shooting at a messenger. Off topic comments (our definition, not yours) are another.
Messages are always fair game.
LB
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17 years 7 months ago #16625
by Joe Keller
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Stoat</i>
<br />Hi Joe, I just checked that I hadn't mixed up the images when I uploaded them to flickr.com They are in the right order, and I can't see how an automated telescope could mix up plates. Actually, setting up a computerised telescope makes it easier to calibrate. Errors could creep in when the telescope is looking close to the horizon, due to the weight of the beast but these plates should be okay. Four minutes error sounds way too much to me.
(Edited) We should have no problems if we compare plates made on the same telescope but perhaps Tom has come across the possible problems of trying to compare plates made on two telescopes.
Perhaps we could use a named star to get an idea of what the Bradford can see. Hip55890 is at
RA 11 27.277'
Dec -8 52.136'
RA proper motion -0.0472
Dec motion 0.0068
Magnitude 8.31
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These are good ideas. However, I had no problem correlating stars on POSSI (Palomar) and SERC (La Silla) 48" Schmidt plates, or on La Silla Red vs. Blue plates, or even Optical IR (0.75-1.00 micron) plates.
<br />Hi Joe, I just checked that I hadn't mixed up the images when I uploaded them to flickr.com They are in the right order, and I can't see how an automated telescope could mix up plates. Actually, setting up a computerised telescope makes it easier to calibrate. Errors could creep in when the telescope is looking close to the horizon, due to the weight of the beast but these plates should be okay. Four minutes error sounds way too much to me.
(Edited) We should have no problems if we compare plates made on the same telescope but perhaps Tom has come across the possible problems of trying to compare plates made on two telescopes.
Perhaps we could use a named star to get an idea of what the Bradford can see. Hip55890 is at
RA 11 27.277'
Dec -8 52.136'
RA proper motion -0.0472
Dec motion 0.0068
Magnitude 8.31
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These are good ideas. However, I had no problem correlating stars on POSSI (Palomar) and SERC (La Silla) 48" Schmidt plates, or on La Silla Red vs. Blue plates, or even Optical IR (0.75-1.00 micron) plates.
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17 years 7 months ago #19553
by Joe Keller
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by nonneta</i>
<br />Just out of curiosity, how is this thread related to the thread title, which is "Requiem for Relativity"? Maybe the current discussion should be given its own thread with a more representative title.
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Thanks for your input. The Cosmic Microwave Background often is cited as the main evidence for the Big Bang, and moreover for the orthodox version of General Relativistic cosmology. So, if the CMB dipole were proven to be almost perfectly aligned with a massive solar system body, a psychological door would be opened for questioning other facets of orthodox Relativity theory.
<br />Just out of curiosity, how is this thread related to the thread title, which is "Requiem for Relativity"? Maybe the current discussion should be given its own thread with a more representative title.
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Thanks for your input. The Cosmic Microwave Background often is cited as the main evidence for the Big Bang, and moreover for the orthodox version of General Relativistic cosmology. So, if the CMB dipole were proven to be almost perfectly aligned with a massive solar system body, a psychological door would be opened for questioning other facets of orthodox Relativity theory.
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