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21 years 4 months ago #5973
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[Jan] Q1: How is it possible that a single electron in the absolute emptiness of space generates a magnetic field while it is travelling through space.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
It isn't possible for anything to exist in "absolute emptiness" by definition.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Q2: If space is an absolute void, why would a moving electron generate a magnetic field if nothing exists that could possibly interact with the electron?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Space is not an absolute void. What we call "vacuum" is known to be filled with energy ("zero=point" energy) and to have other properties.
In the Meta Model, every infinitesimal point is occupied by substance at some scale because substance is (generically) everything that exists, so the absence of substance is equated with non-existence. Non-existence is very different from "vacuum" or "apparently empty". -|Tom|-
It isn't possible for anything to exist in "absolute emptiness" by definition.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Q2: If space is an absolute void, why would a moving electron generate a magnetic field if nothing exists that could possibly interact with the electron?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
Space is not an absolute void. What we call "vacuum" is known to be filled with energy ("zero=point" energy) and to have other properties.
In the Meta Model, every infinitesimal point is occupied by substance at some scale because substance is (generically) everything that exists, so the absence of substance is equated with non-existence. Non-existence is very different from "vacuum" or "apparently empty". -|Tom|-
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21 years 4 months ago #6229
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Space is not an absolute void. What we call "vacuum" is known to be filled with energy ("zero=point" energy) and to have other properties.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
So the electron interacts with this energy causing the magnetic field to establish? If so, is a magnetic field a result of turbulent behaviour of this energy? (I'm just trying to visualise a magnetic field)
So the electron interacts with this energy causing the magnetic field to establish? If so, is a magnetic field a result of turbulent behaviour of this energy? (I'm just trying to visualise a magnetic field)
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21 years 4 months ago #6358
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[Jan]: So the electron interacts with this energy causing the magnetic field to establish? If so, is a magnetic field a result of turbulent behaviour of this energy? (I'm just trying to visualise a magnetic field)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
No one knows what a magnetic field really is at a sub-quantum level. -|Tom|-
No one knows what a magnetic field really is at a sub-quantum level. -|Tom|-
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21 years 4 months ago #5974
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[Jan]: So the electron interacts with this energy causing the magnetic field to establish? If so, is a magnetic field a result of turbulent behaviour of this energy? (I'm just trying to visualise a magnetic field)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
No one knows what a magnetic field really is at a sub-quantum level. -|Tom|-
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tom
i was wondering if you have spoken to Seven Rado about his theory.i have,and if i remember right this is what he is working on now,(refining his theory to include magnetism)i don't pretend to know his theory fully,but i think you will find him interesting.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>[Jan]: So the electron interacts with this energy causing the magnetic field to establish? If so, is a magnetic field a result of turbulent behaviour of this energy? (I'm just trying to visualise a magnetic field)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
No one knows what a magnetic field really is at a sub-quantum level. -|Tom|-
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i was wondering if you have spoken to Seven Rado about his theory.i have,and if i remember right this is what he is working on now,(refining his theory to include magnetism)i don't pretend to know his theory fully,but i think you will find him interesting.
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21 years 4 months ago #6070
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<i>nothingness</i>??
there's an interesting article on science a go go.com
about <i>nothingness</i>
AND how the theorists are going to solve the perplexing
riddle of...how the spontaneous appearance of
a quark & quark with an anti-quark, seem to spring
into existance...from nowhere
the vacuum-void-ether-nothing question REMAINS a con-
undrum!! with varied views & definitions & criteria'
it too will continue in the 'time-paradox' realm of
good mind game exercises, which never is really solved
...just more perplexing twists & turns to jack-jaw on!
eh? '... nothing', 3 july 2003=scienceagogo.com
enjoy the journey
enjoy the journey
there's an interesting article on science a go go.com
about <i>nothingness</i>
AND how the theorists are going to solve the perplexing
riddle of...how the spontaneous appearance of
a quark & quark with an anti-quark, seem to spring
into existance...from nowhere
the vacuum-void-ether-nothing question REMAINS a con-
undrum!! with varied views & definitions & criteria'
it too will continue in the 'time-paradox' realm of
good mind game exercises, which never is really solved
...just more perplexing twists & turns to jack-jaw on!
eh? '... nothing', 3 july 2003=scienceagogo.com
enjoy the journey
enjoy the journey
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21 years 4 months ago #6373
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a quark & quark with an anti-quark, seem to spring
into existance...from nowhere
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I find constructs such as "emptiness" and "nothingness" absolutely mind boggling. Do these quark and anti-quark really come from "nothing" or is there another deeper level of "content" that we still have to observe? Claiming that space is empty wasn't mankinds best move in my humble view. To put it in another way, if one wishes to explain physical phenomena with the richest toolbox available, I'd say the following about the notorious "ether": "It is better to have it and not to want it than to want it and not to have it."
a quark & quark with an anti-quark, seem to spring
into existance...from nowhere
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
I find constructs such as "emptiness" and "nothingness" absolutely mind boggling. Do these quark and anti-quark really come from "nothing" or is there another deeper level of "content" that we still have to observe? Claiming that space is empty wasn't mankinds best move in my humble view. To put it in another way, if one wishes to explain physical phenomena with the richest toolbox available, I'd say the following about the notorious "ether": "It is better to have it and not to want it than to want it and not to have it."
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