Space, time and matter

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<br />I'm carrying on a discussion with a friend of mine about time and its relationship to matter and space.

Is there any way that time can be independent of matter? That is just what my friend is arguing. He says that while matter/space depends upon time to exist, time does not depend upon matter/space to exist.

I can't see how that can possible be true for we observe time as motions of material objects...


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Actually time is the measurement of change. Motion is only one type of change.

In Einstein's relativity time seems to be a physical "thing", because it can be dilated. But how a thing that has no physical properties can be dilated?

In Lorentz's relativity there is an absolute time and what really change due to motion is the internal process of clocks used to quantify the passage of a relative time. But this also assumes there is an inobservable physical quantity (absolute time) that has no physical properties!

Tom Van Fladern, could you clarify those ideas to me?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rush</i>
<br />In Einstein's relativity time seems to be a physical "thing", because it can be dilated. But how a thing that has no physical properties can be dilated?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">It can't.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In Lorentz's relativity there is an absolute time and what really change due to motion is the internal process of clocks used to quantify the passage of a relative time. But this also assumes there is an inobservable physical quantity (absolute time) that has no physical properties!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">True.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">could you clarify those ideas to me?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Time is just a dimension measuring change. As such, we are free to construct it in any way we wish. Why would we construct it to have rate variations? That would be senseless. -|Tom|-